Betsy Devos secretary of education
 

Okay folks,
Devo's father founded Amway - a very corupt MLM
Devo's Brother founded blackwater
She has a bachelors in Business administration

She has participated as board member on several Education foundations/organizations. Hopefully she has some knowledge and can do some good.

Here is hoping we don't have another disaster in the works

Your response to Devos should not be based on her father's and brother's businesses.

It should be based on criteria such as her experience in education, her philosophical attitude to the subject.

Idealistically yes. Realistically no. I can't imagine she is 180 degrees from her family. I also did some research on her. She does have an interested in education, but from where I sit, it is a biased agenda rather than an educated knowledge.

Look at just how well the schools are doing in Michigan under her influence.

""For 20 years, the lobby her family bankrolls has propped up the billion-dollar charter school industry and insulated it from commonsense oversight, even as charter schools repeatedly failed to deliver on their promises to parents and children.""....https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-of-education/

Barney

bullseye!

read the link!

I suppose so.

We give JFK a pass in spite of the rumors that his father made his money as a bootlegger.

However, I consider bootlegging to be a far more honorable profession than that of an Amway huckster.

My first and only experience with the Amway scam was back in High School. On the way out of the parking lot after school one day a buddy of mine that was riding in the passenger seat saw a poster on a telephone pole advertising summer jobs. So I stopped and he got out and read it and got the address of the place. He said it was an advertisement for jobs at the "Jimenez Lumberyard". Neither one of us had ever heard of it, but what the hey, a summer job at a lumber yard sounded really macho and cool to us. So we went to the address and it was some shabby office building and when we went in there was this dude in a cheap suit, so we told him we were there to apply for the jobs.

So this dude starts in with this pitch about how we can make a shitload of money this summer going door to door selling this Amway shit to our neighbors and friend's moms. And during the whole presentation my buddy and I are exchanging WTF!? looks. Even to a couple of High School kids it ws obvious that this was some kind of bullshit scam.

I don't remember what excuse we used to get the fuck out of there but when we did I said to my buddy, "I thought you said this was for a job at a lumber yard?" And he said "That's what the poster said".

So we drove back to where the poster was and got out and read it and all it said was "Jimenez Productions". And my buddy says "But I was sure it said Lumber Yard!." I don't know how he read that into it the first time, must have been wishful thinking.

I am not a supporter of Miss Devos. I was just responding to the thrust of your initial post.

Wasn't Amway some sort of a pyramid scheme?

Aren't they all?

That position would maybe have been better served with a minority conservative if they even are conservative, some who have done extraordinary things in poor neighborhood schools with almost 100% graduation rates.

Of course, transferring that to government and past the teachers union entrenchments is probably impossible anyway.

Most children still get taught through public education. The opposition to Devos is the belief she does not really believe in it.

Equality in public education, plus supporting mentoring, is how to handle this. Not a costly for-profit fallout festival.

When I hear the word "Amway" two quotes flash through my mind.

"There's a sucker born every minute" and

"A fool and his money are soon parted".

These are the two principles upon which Amway was built.

Anyone who still thinks this is about helping the children is only fooling themselves.
So no amount of contrary information will sway them.
This has all to do with breaking unions and indoctrinating the young along with keeping kids separate from the lower classes and different groups from theirs. Plus add the chance to making a killing with federal funds with very little oversight.


Barney

Now, there is a quote from somebody who is obviously completely indoctrinated talking about somebody else indoctrinating.

Just have locals who have tried to argue their weak argument. When all I see is, they are wanting to keep away from other social economic or ethnic groups. The discussion always devolves to the teachers unions and pay, benefits and how they get the summers off. Can't get fired!

We have been trying to get a consolidated school for thirty years in my county. Three high schools now when one centralized would save money and provide more opportunities. Two graduate less the forty a year and the big school two hundred. But sports always wins. Parents would rather have their kids being a big fish in a small pond then collage prepared. So when hearing this charter school will solve public schools and save money my eyes start to roll.

Just why should my property taxes should be used for their religious schools? You know the whole Church and State separation thing.

Why should my property taxes go to pay for somebody's kids when I never had any ?


I don't particularly care how they do it as long as it works.

It works fine now in some areas and in some areas it doesn't work at all with 70% drop out rates.

Yet, try to change anything in the bad areas and see how far you get.

Many of these schools independent of the public system are working great in the otherwise problem areas.

The left fights expanding that tooth and nail. Makes no sense to me.

When you were a kid your single neighbors paid for you. Your attitude reflects just simple selfishness and ignorance about nurturing a great society.

People who say shit like that deserve to be mugged by a gang of young kids that grew up to be thugs because they couldn't get a decent education in an underfunded public school system.

Add to that the fact that when you get old and frail you are going to be totally dependent on the younger generation that you do not want to educate.

Sure you may have a lot of money, but that money is worthless unless there are younger people out there doing the work necessary to provide the goods and services you need to survive and are willing to exchange them for that money. If they say to you "Sorry gramps, but I only grew enough chow for me, so I'm keeping it all and you can keep your money" then you will be fucked.

No. It just more of the same crap. People have kids who can't afford them.

I didn't have kids because when I was that age I couldn't afford them.

Now, it is customary that you have some fucking right to have kids whether you can afford them or not and expect somebody else to pay for them.

So, fuck off.

BTW, I live in the part of the country where they say don't start a fight with an old man because he will just shoot you.

Now, I don't have any desire or intention to ever shoot anybody and even justified it is an ordeal that you don't want to go through for legal as well as emotional reasons.

But, I am always legally armed. Always.

Where I live, although gun ownership and carry is legal, is not needed. :)



Carl

You deserve to be left utterly alone. Clutching you guns and money.

In fact, except for trolling places like this, I bet you are.

Actually, there are not very many people who do not agree with me in most all "places" except here.

That is the reason I like it here.

Very few kids would be born if all potential parents choose to wait until they felt able to afford them. Sacrifices made by loving parents selflessness rather the being selfish make for a better society for all.

But there are those who are all for life at conception but once born feel you are on your own, good luck!

Then there is the American Dream of being able to rise up to ones full potential if willing to work hard. The reason for this may well be in the public school system in place for all. One where all are given K thru 12 instruction. It was decide long ago the benefits of this. Over the years the addition of years occurred, now I feel at least 2 years of collage should be added due to the increase need in preparation for the new century.

But my having to pay so others can send their children to a private religious school crosses the church and state separation. Pretty plain and simple.


Barney

It never is until it is. I started carrying because I walk three miles a day and a Labrador retriever of all things bit me. We have had a handful of children actually killed by pit bulls. So, it is more about that than some bandit or whatever. But, it just became a habit.

I can understand your sentiment. But, the government school monopoly sucks in some areas. So, I can see paying for something if it works better.

Fuck off yourself.

You are batshit crazy and dumber than a fucking rock.

Pot meet kettle. You two should get a room and make beautiful whoopee together. :rolleyes:

At least the Dude is open and above board about what he is.

Not a sneaky little corporate tool like you who tries to pass himself off as a man of the people.

Sad...:(

The Trump regime doesn't agree, we need thousands of unwanted children born every year.

There happens to be some brainless twits that are taking away access to birth control and outlawing legal abortions. outlawing legal abortions is the proof of the brainless twit name because they actually think that if they outlaw them then they won't happen. Gosh that is so dumb.

So like it or not you will be paying for them, maybe even their whole lives when they get life terms in prisons because they can't make a living with their F'd up upbringing. Seems to me free birth control is way cheaper.


Carl

I agree with your thinking except I have not seen Trump make an issue out of this to any degree. More the left trying to keep the issue alive.
IMO abortion will never be illegal again. Water over the dam.

Well shall soon see my friend......



Barney

He goes on about "corporate tools", then throws his support behind Trump and his cabinet full of corporate bosses?:rolleyes:

You know, I can see the point in not trusting Hillary, because I believe her to be a corporate tool as you say.* But, you seem to actually like Trump.... Which is a bit like swallowing a hand grenade because beans give you gas.

(*Sorry, Bob. But, I really think it's pretty obvious.)

Not so long as Republicans need it as a campaign tool. Without it all they'd have to campaign on is the working class tax cuts they never deliver and "Vote Republican because we think you're not worth your pay.".

Oh, and I forgot the completely not racist or xenophobic non-fear of immigrants, "those people" (Whoever that is.) and, of course, "food stamps".

Abortion as a issue, YES!
Seems to prove an issue with ones core beliefs, it seems to me.
If there is NO heaven or afterlife then life has a different meaning...... but if SO be true then what is the big deal?



Barney

The Republican who stirred all that up was Jerry Falwell . And, he screwed up the Republican Party for decades. If you will notice the Republican candidates don't even bring that up anymore other than in passing. If the courts were going to reverse it they would have when Scalia was in there. It is a dead horse.

The only people bringing it up are the morons like Madonna, Ashley Judd and others with Trump derangement syndrome.

Hillary and her crew were the ones saying Trump would reverse Roe v Wade and claim dominion over women's bodies.

What a bunch of idiots.

BTW, food stamps are under the Dept of Agriculture and as long as it is a benefit to farmers they are not going anywhere.

But we will never know because charter schools do not come under the Board of Education and are not regulated.

Btw my "kid" is 51 and my school taxes are `$3400 per year.