America sans Progressivism.
 

What would be lost, what would be gained?
What would it look like?
Would we recognise it?
Would we want to live in it?

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America already is "Sans Progressivism".

Bernie Sanders was out last hope.

Nothing is ever the "last hope". I've been aware of Bernie for at least a decade and at no time did I think he had the potential to become what he has become. The "next Bernie" will appear unexpectedly just as Bernie did and as FDR did before him. And there is a potential that the movement that Bernie began will continue and grow. It may, in fact, spawn the next Bernie.

What I am afraid of is that if Clinton is elected her agenda will become the standard definition for "Progressivism" in America. And that's not progressive at all IMO.

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ican-politics/

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Then what Bernie stands for will be called something else by those who espouse it. And it wouldn't be the first time that Progressivism was redefined.

I believe that Hillary will always be known as the candidate that the DNC rigged to get nominated and there will (or should) be an asterisk mark after her name when used in context of presidency. She is more a conservative than ever a progressive.

And I still find her more trustworthy as a guardian of Progressive policies than anyone the 'Pubs have run.
Trump specifically is just a self-aggrandizing bullshitter with zero credibility.

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What a dead-ender. If I were living in south Alabama though, I might feel the same.:p

About the points in the OP?

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History goes in cycles and we are in a Regressive period right now. With the rise of conservatism and fundamentalists needing to play out before a true progressive enlightenment phase can happen again.

It ebbs and flows from one extreme to the other historically. One over reaches and the other steps in.



Barney

In my mind, I identify this country most admirably with the Progressive advances elucidated in the linked article. I wouldn't like living in a country without them.

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In general, I'll be happy with how another Clinton administration treats us.
They won't screw me on my Social Security and they'll protect Medicare.
Along with Sen. Warren, Sanders and Franken, she'll kick Wall St. into line and raise taxes on the 1% till they squeal.

Are you serious?

Yes, he really is serious, Bob suffers from the worst case of Clintonitis this side of Mississippi.

Obama made the Bush tax cuts which was bankrupting the country permanent. He was the "Hope and Change" guy. Hillary has a long list of IOU's and she is going to kick Wall Street in the balls?

Hillary Delusion Syndrome in effect. :rolleyes:

No unions.
Six day, 10 to 12 hours a day work week.
No OSHA< EPA< MSHA <DOL <NIOSH <FDA
No safety departments at work.
No Social Security, no national parks, no clean air, no clean water, no public works departments
No consumer protection agency
No regulated banks
With no unions, we end up with zero job benefits
No prevailing wage scale

We would be much closer to Nigeria than Sweden in our quality of life.

No chit. I live in S.E. Virginia and the heat, bugs, rednecks and humidity get unbearable...... I can't imagine what the deep south is like with all that swampy pestilence. ;)

Yessiree.

Despite all evidence to the contrary. Your loyalty, if not your judgment, is admirable, Bob.

ROTFLMAO! Voting for Jill Stein, are we? :rolleyes:

Just declare for Jill Stein already, John. :rolleyes:

Where'd you get that from? Did Rajoo say that? Did he even imply it? It must be tough when all you have left is snark and sarcasm.

See post #22. You really are struggling here, Bob.

Yeah, WTF was that?

Wingnuts cite Benghazi! and emails and all of that. I don't care about any of that crap, because I know what it is. But, for me what's real is this, right here. Hillary isn't going to do a damn thing to upset any of her donors. She might as well switch parties, hang out in ALEC meetings and help them figure out how to screw us some more.

As I see it Hillary is just more of the same old, and Trump is the scheming snake oil salesman looking for the ultimate government hook-up so he can dole out positions and favors to his billionaire buds. I don't really "like" either Hillary or Trump, I was a Bernie guy. But forced to choose, I sure as hell am not voting for the spoiled rich kid club. At that point, we might as well just plan on moving into the company housing and buying groceries with company script.

"Yes, boss. I'll do whatever you say, just don't fire me...". Screw that.

Yes, I'm struggling to contain my mirth at the total meltdown of the Trump campaign, LOL.

I'm struggling with my ebullience whenever I read the latest polls at Real Clear Politics.

The only thing that I'm mildly concerned about is why my leftier than thou hand wringing brethren can't accept that half a loaf is better than a kick in the teeth. Same as it ever was.

We're not all Joads here, Bob. A dislike of Hillary, no matter how profound, doesn't imply equanimity regarding the prospect of a Trump presidency. But we will not "fall in line" to support a deeply flawed candidate.

I trust Sen. Warren, Sen. Franken and Sen. Sanders is what I said.

As I've said all along, it's all about the fucking Supreme court. I don't give a shit if Hillary starts biting the heads off kittens and drop kicking puppies into the audience at her rallies. I don't give a shit if she invites Henry fucking Kissinger to tea in the Rose Garden. I don't give a shit if she starts locking up Animal Liberation Front nutcases and bitch slapping whiney assed Code Pink protesters on sight. I hope she takes a big steaming dump into a box, gift wraps it and has her Secret Service detail hand deliver it to Jill Stein. :D

That's a rather embarrassing admission.

Who said you were anything like Joad? You have a nasty habit of trying to put words in other people's mouths, John. Give it a rest.

You need to trot your ass down to the nearest party supply warehouse and rent a sense of humor, dude.

If you've said it once, you've said it a thousand times that I was just like Joad.

(That's putting words in your mouth. My earlier post wasn't.)

Naw, the current iteration of Joad is nothing like you. I do have to give you props for getting TJ to admit he was a troll the other day, tho.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to sharpen up my chainsaw and cut down the last old growth Redwood here in Orange county. :rolleyes:

Wow!

So it's come to this has it?

Talking about me behind my back like some sneaky little snake.

Fer Christ sake Bob, be a person.

Have the guts to do it to my face.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnSqOz47NbE

Nobody is talking behind your back, troll. John characterized you as a troll and you agreed with it right on this forum.

You got that right.

You are a nobody.

You preaching about some of us not having a sense of humor?
Seems you are the one that cannot take a joke or face the truth with all things Hillary. Instead of accepting Hillary as a deeply flawed candidate who is only leading Trump in the polls (imagine the competition) and you endlessly brag about this as if she has accomplished something significant.

Her approval ratings nor trust factor will ever move up and we all need to be worried about that instead worshiping at her feet and dancing with joy. Take a deep breath and hope she does not have any new scandals in her arsenal.

Malarkey. :rolleyes:

Good post, again.

A real word response! :rolleyes:

My used car analogy of Hillary still holds true.

Still holding onto that sore loserdom, eh Raj?