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09-02-2014, 02:20 PM
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Does anyone have a clear explanation of Israel's settlement policy? Outside of specific aims sometimes I wonder.
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09-02-2014, 02:23 PM
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Sorry Finn, you got me, posting off the cuff
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Here's an interesting article about what Fatah is trying to do through the UN with regard to the West Bank. It also notes that the recent Gaza incursion has greatly increased Hamas' popularity at the expense of the more moderate Fatah. I think this was part of Bibi's calculus. His ambitions on the West Bank were threatened when Fatah subsumed Hamas and was receptive to negotiations facilitated by Kerry. Bibi's coalition prefers a nasty status quo to any consideration of a 2-state solution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/wo...ncil-help.html
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09-02-2014, 02:30 PM
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Oh I know that stuff, they've been trying to use the UN for a long time now. I was wondering if there was a straight look at the settlements. All I ever see is pretty shrill.
Pete
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09-02-2014, 02:39 PM
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Oh I know that stuff, they've been trying to use the UN for a long time now. I was wondering if there was a straight look at the settlements. All I ever see is pretty shrill.
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Fatah is trying to use the only tool(s) they have - diplomacy, the UN and world opinion, as opposed to Hamas' indiscriminate violence. Bibi is willing to use any and all tactics against both factions in order to further his ambitions on the West Bank.
"We have long made clear our opposition to continued settlement activity. This announcement, like every other settlement announcement Israel makes, planning step they approve and construction tender they issue is counterproductive to Israel's stated goal of a negotiated two-state solution with the Palestinians. We urge the government of Israel to reverse this decision..."
- U.S. State Department Spokeman
"We need more measured policy conduct, and not to generate unnecessary disputes with the United States and the world. What is this good for, of all times, now? This was a grab that was not brought before the cabinet and at this time simply causes damage to the State of Israel. "
- Israel Finance Minister Yair Lapid
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09-03-2014, 07:48 AM
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I say again...no difference from any other terrorist organization with a Caliphate as it's goal...
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/25/gaza-halt-executions
No trial, no appeal, no fucking nothing. Eighteen people taken out and shot in the head in the streets of Gaza city for being suspected of collaboration with the Israelis. Well...at least Hamas was thoughtful enough not to put these people through a beheading with a dull butter knife. No proof of course. And the action, no different from the action of nazis in Poland or France or Belgium. We'll execute a couple dozen people, not because we know they collaborated, but because we know it will discourage collaboration with Israel and reinforce our control in Gaza. Democratically elected and supported government...my ass. Their own people are scared shitless of Hamas and they should be.
And anybody would suggest that there is any sort of moral equivalency between Hamas and the government of the State of Israel.
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09-03-2014, 07:58 AM
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I was wondering if there was a straight look at the settlements. All I ever see is pretty shrill.
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Straight land grab.
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09-03-2014, 09:16 AM
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No formal stuff eh? I'll have to do some digging.
Pete
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09-03-2014, 09:28 AM
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I don't recall seeing any trials when Israel arrested 300-400 folks on the West Bank after the teenagers were killed and destroyed the homes of many more. For that matter, appropriation of 1,000 of Palestinian land as retribution for these kids' deaths ain't exactly Kosher either. The US, EU, UK, UN and Israel's Finance Minister all oppose Israel's land grab. Does that somehow make them all antisemitic and pro-terrorist?
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09-03-2014, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by finnbow
I don't recall seeing any trials when Israel arrested 300-400 folks on the West Bank after the teenagers were killed and destroyed the homes of many more. For that matter, appropriation of 1,000 of Palestinian land as retribution for these kids' deaths ain't exactly Kosher either. The US, EU, UK, UN and Israel's Finance Minister all oppose Israel's land grab. Does that somehow make them all antisemitic and pro-terrorist?
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Based on the opinions you've expressed, how can these land grabs be anything but Kosher?
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09-03-2014, 11:51 AM
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Based on the opinions you've expressed, how can these land grabs be anything but Kosher?
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You really have to stop this. My ribs hurt.
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