Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Resist a lawful arrest? Get taken down (accidents happen).

ANd yet some municipalities have banned high speed chases, surely speeding away is resisting arrest?

[sheltiedave]

An accident is called manslaughter.

My wife works in the VA as a registered nurse. If she took care of patients in the same haphazard fashion as the medical examiner who did not document evidence, the supervisor who twice took statements from Wilson without documentation, the police evidence team who did not pull prints from the Sig, the police station that did not competently process Wilson when he arrived and allowed evidence to be destroyed, the asst. DAs in their "Canterbury Tales" rendition of Lets' Make a Deal, and McCulloch's heartrending story of evil and good, she would be fired the next day for not following standard operating procedures, failure to document, negligence, failure of due diligence, and failure of adequate oversight.

If this level of care would result in a professional nurse loosing her license and being fired, why is most everyone perfectly willing to let it slide when involving a criminal investigation? Are POST trained and certified officers that immune that they indeed are teflon knights?

[ZeroJunk]

Have you guys put any thought in to what you are going to get if the police back off these thugs. Do you really think that chaos is not just around the corner.

[Rajoo]

I believe the argument put forth is this from what I have read. An officer if he feels that his life is threatened (say from an assault) has every right to defend himself with lethal force, as would any citizen. What constitutes an assault or threat to an officer's life is simply left up the the officer's judgement. Case closed. Or a "Good Shoot".

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

An accident is called manslaughter.

My wife works in the VA as a registered nurse. If she took care of patients in the same haphazard fashion as the medical examiner who did not document evidence, the supervisor who twice took statements from Wilson without documentation, the police evidence team who did not pull prints from the Sig, the police station that did not competently process Wilson when he arrived and allowed evidence to be destroyed, the asst. DAs in their "Canterbury Tales" rendition of Lets' Make a Deal, and McCulloch's heartrending story of evil and good, she would be fired the next day for not following standard operating procedures, failure to document, negligence, failure of due diligence, and failure of adequate oversight.

If this level of care would result in a professional nurse loosing her license and being fired, why is most everyone perfectly willing to let it slide when involving a criminal investigation? Are POST trained and certified officers that immune that they indeed are teflon knights?

WTF does this have to do with anything? If you read the linked article and believe that the preponderance of evidence supports an indictment, we live on different planets.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

My wife works in the VA

Don't say that too loud...

[sheltiedave]

And if you have read any of my posts, you would have consistently read that a fair amount of evidence either was not collected, was collected but not analyzed, was destroyed, or was framed in a manner that did not question whether it could be attributed to differing explanations.

You say this does not matter, but when it would matter in many other professional situations, Finnbow, it should also matter in this one.

From what I gather, you are an engineer in some aspect with the Corps. If you came and did engineering work on the Alton lock system, and that system later failed, wouldn't an engineering investigation take place to do a root cause analysis, and then institute a corrective action plan based on the specified causes?

If they came across your mathematical workup, all your safety assumptions, your soil analysis, your bedrock depth research, all the materials analyses, all the stress tests, etc, or would everyone be happy to just throw the design in the garbage and say you forgot to do it.

If a process has failed, you don't just chuck things and walk away. You get it all right, so everyone can agree. You go the extra mile, you act in a transparent manner, and you maintain the trust of the community you serve. Jennings lost the trust of their community, and was forced to disband their police department. St. George was forced to do the same, and they actually dissolved the town also. Ferguson is now well down that path as well.

This is the Orwellian scene where the pigs take control of the farm, rising to the forepaws and chanting "Four legs good, two legs better." Keep claiming justice was served; meanwhile Wilson has fled St. Louis, never to work as a cop again, the chief's head is being measured for his retirement hat, and the policing of the community is being prepped for turnover to the county. Now that's a rousing affirmation of a good shot. The region is not in an uproar merely because Brown was killed, they are in an uproar because in the aftermath, it is business as usual. The powers that be hide, lie deflect, dance, marginalize, and attempt to talk away the problems, until they get so large they explode.

Then they start going after NFL players....

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

And if you have read any of my posts, you would have consistently read that a fair amount of evidence either was not collected, was collected but not analyzed, was destroyed, or was framed in a manner that did not question whether it could be attributed to differing explanations...

It seems you're arguing by analogy rather than by directly addressing the cited article. You're so over-committed to your narrative that you seem incapable of looking facts in the face.

[sheltiedave]

No Finnbow, I am committed to everyone acting to meeting their professional standards. When you don't meet the standard, the next person doesn't meet their standard, the next doesn't and the final professional doesn't meet theirs either, then you have a shit stew.

Personally, at this point in time, it doesn't matter whether things went down the way the public narrative claims. However, the lack of professional conduct still stands. I though as an engineer type it would matter to you, but I see it doesn't.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by sheltiedave

No Finnbow, I am committed to everyone acting to meeting their professional standards. When you don't meet the standard, the next person doesn't meet their standard, the next doesn't and the final professional doesn't meet theirs either, then you have a shit stew.

Personally, at this point in time, it doesn't matter whether things went down the way the public narrative claims. However, the lack of professional conduct still stands. I though as an engineer type it would matter to you, but I see it doesn't.

I'm not surprised by less than perfect adherence to procedure (it happens in every industry), but the evidence presented to the grand jury left them no option but to not indict. This case should have never been brought.