Congratulations America!

[cabinover]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Well that could be page #1

Why would medicare not want young Americans on board that almost never
get sick. If you want to lower premiums and have more money in medicare,
that would be a start. If people starting defecting, the ins. companies
would have to lower their rates.

I like it should it prove true and rates had to drop.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by cabinover

But they cannot have it both ways. If they simply want the pool of payers to increase then they should have passed this bill.

They can't have it both ways?????????????

They got rid of the single payee, they got rid of the public option. What makes you think they will not get ride of the pre existing condition inclusion clause as well?
They want it all. You know, the holy unbridled capitalism.
If this bill passes as currently is the celebration will be amongst the healthcare providers, not the reformers. In the mean time they want as much as they can get.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Well that could be page #1

Why would medicare not want young Americans on board that almost never
get sick. If you want to lower premiums and have more money in medicare,
that would be a start. If people starting defecting, the ins. companies
would have to lower their rates.

that is why the public option is dead

[rickr15]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Actually it was a former governor of Colorado who said that we old folks had a duty to die off before we bacame a burden.

Good old Dick Lamm.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by noonereal

They want it all. You know, the holy unbridled capitalism.

1000 pages of god-knows-what regulation is not unbridled capitalism and a large reason I suspect the bill is going down.

Why don't the principals get together, write something SIMPLE outlining their plan, and submit it directly to the people? Most folks know it can't keep going on this way, the cost is getting out of line.

Pete

[rickr15]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Well that could be page #1

Why would medicare not want young Americans on board that almost never
get sick. If you want to lower premiums and have more money in medicare,
that would be a start. If people starting defecting, the ins. companies
would have to lower their rates.

Medicare already has these young people. They have been taxing my check since I was 15. As a matter of fact they there is a Medicare deduction from every check I ever get.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Well that could be page #1

Why would medicare not want young Americans on board that almost never
get sick. If you want to lower premiums and have more money in medicare,
that would be a start. If people starting defecting, the ins. companies
would have to lower their rates.

Jack,

Please do not take this as an insult, but are you kidding? You are essentially talking about a public option, that very well could become a single payer plan. That is unless I completely misunderstand what you are saying. If I don't misunderstand, we have found something that we could agree on whole-heartedly. I would be absolutely ecstatic to see that proposal implemented.

I can see how you as a small business owner would find this beneficial. I expect that you would like to see your employees have health insurance coverage, but as a small business owner myself, I see what a huge chunk of our income goes into paying insurance premiums.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Well that could be page #1

Why would medicare not want young Americans on board that almost never
get sick. If you want to lower premiums and have more money in medicare,
that would be a start. If people starting defecting, the ins. companies
would have to lower their rates.

That was one of the best ideas to die in this whole mess. Extending Medicare to people at age 50 was a real win/win. But the Republicans and even some Democrats blocked it under pressure from the Insurance Companies.

Make no mistake, there are winners in this fiasco. Insurance Companies are feeling pretty good this morning, I'd wager.

[piece-itpete]

Once again, how on earth did the GOP 'block' anything?

Pete

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Once again, how on earth did the GOP 'block' anything?

Pete

They created a solid, impenetrable block of forty votes that only had to attract one opportunistic, soul-less political hack (read Joe Lieberman) to prevent a vote on a health care bill. Little over a year ago, it seems, Lieberman was trying to extend the GOP regime in the White House, so it seems pointless to not include him as a brick in the stonewall.

Regards,

D-Ray