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piece-itpete · #81 12-02-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

Some were Deists and some weren't. There was no solid consensus among the founders on religion. That makes it pretty unlikely that they would have been able to establish our country along the lines of any set of religious principles.

I think I'm the only one who used the term Luddite and that was facetiously in regard to Jefferson and Franklin. Nobody called you a Luddite.

That being said, the evidence is there. The stolen emails haven't changed that.

John

Many many Christians of different demoninations agree about a LOT of things.

Heck I wasn't calling you out on the Luddite thing, just using an expression. Christians are painted as backward all the time, I'm used to it

If the preponderance of evidence is there, why fabricate it?

Pete

Fast_Eddie · #82 12-02-2009, 10:35 AM

Patriotic tea party protesters mock the death of an uninsured pregnant woman and her child.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/v...arty-patriots/

Yeah. Those are some patriotic Americans there. Here's a though. Count your blessings and work to help your fellow citizens. Wonder how many of these people went to Church that Sunday and have "Pro-Life" stickers on their cars to claim moral superiority?

Figured I'd oblige.

Fast_Eddie · #83 12-02-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Many many Christians of different demoninations agree about a LOT of things.

Many Christians agree with many Jews about a lot of thing. Many Jews agree with many Buddhists about a lot of things. Many Buddhists agree with many Muslims about a lot of things. A lot of Americans agree with me that none of it has anything to do with how policy should be decided in the United States.

Some Christians believe that God wants them to live in plural marriage. Some Chrisitans believe we should murder doctors who perform abortions. Commonality of religous beliefs has very little to do with morals. I'd wager more poor decisions have been made by socities who claim to be acting in the name of whatever God it is they worshim than good.

merrylander · #84 12-02-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe

No, not in the least. It’s more like this… When a discussion about taxation, spending and possible cuts in spending (i.e.: holding spending at current levels) comes up, the hole card for liberals is to always challenge someone’s compassion. Usually, this is held out of the conversation until the argument wears thin but in this case, it was rolled out early. I’m up for an honest discussion of ideas, but I don’t have the patience when the “But what about the children” challenge is paraded out. Next think you know, things get ugly and people are being called out as being Fascist, Racist, Hitler, etc., links to youtube Save the Children and UNICEF videos, Sally Struthers makes an appearance…

I’m up for an open discussion of ideas but certain things, like I said, I just don’t have the patience for. It’s such a tiresome conversation to have. I’m not leaving the discussion mad, I’m just leaving the discussion. Trust me on this.

RC

AFAIK the children are already covered, forget the name of the plan but there is one. I am not emotionally tied to any part of this I simply find it assinine that we spend twice what other industrialized nations do and all that does is fill the coffers of the drug and health insurance companies.

We still ration health care, leave your job and and any illness you developed while at that job is now a pre-existing condition. Of course there is always COBRA, called that because its bite is near fatal. As I say screw the emotion I just hate being taken for a damned fool.

As far as the so called reform plan is concerned I will be royally screwed over. They say almost everyone will pay less - except for the self-insured, but we will get better coverage for the extra we will be charged. Excuse me? Our plan coveres damn near 99% or more now, so what is this extra coverage we will be getting.

If you want something right royally screwed up give it to Congress.

Boreas · #85 12-02-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe

… When a discussion about taxation, spending and possible cuts in spending (i.e.: holding spending at current levels) comes up, the hole card for liberals is to always challenge someone’s compassion. Usually, this is held out of the conversation until the argument wears thin but in this case, it was rolled out early. I’m up for an honest discussion of ideas, but I don’t have the patience when the “But what about the children” challenge is paraded out. Next think you know, things get ugly and people are being called out as being Fascist, Racist, Hitler, etc., links to youtube Save the Children and UNICEF videos, Sally Struthers makes an appearance…

I’m up for an open discussion of ideas but certain things, like I said, I just don’t have the patience for. It’s such a tiresome conversation to have. I’m not leaving the discussion mad, I’m just leaving the discussion. Trust me on this.

RC

This post just didn't ring true so I went back and read through the entire thread. Nobody did any of the things you've accused us of. All I can think of is that you saw questions you didn't want to answer.

John

piece-itpete · #86 12-02-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Many Christians agree with many Jews about a lot of thing. Many Jews agree with many Buddhists about a lot of things. Many Buddhists agree with many Muslims about a lot of things. A lot of Americans agree with me that none of it has anything to do with how policy should be decided in the United States.

Some Christians believe that God wants them to live in plural marriage. Some Chrisitans believe we should murder doctors who perform abortions. Commonality of religous beliefs has very little to do with morals. I'd wager more poor decisions have been made by socities who claim to be acting in the name of whatever God it is they worshim than good.

They did agree enough to print the Bible! And hire a Chaplin for Congress.

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Originally Posted by merrylander

... COBRA, called that because its bite is near fatal...

Lmao!!!

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I suspect post 63 has something to do with things. RC, I just ignore it for the most part. It's so tough for folks to be multisided online, it tends to drive us all to extremes, even for us

Pete

Fast_Eddie · #87 12-02-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete

They did agree enough to print the Bible! And hire a Chaplin for Congress.

Well, we're talking in circles now. I mentioned before that you need to take things in their historical context, but as I havn't the resources to provide a study guide in that area and I suspect you're not inclined to do the research on it yourself I'll leave it at that.

doucanoe · #88 12-02-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas

This post just didn't ring true so I went back and read through the entire thread. Nobody did any of the things you've accused us of. All I can think of is that you saw questions you didn't want to answer.

John

Believe what you wish.

RC

Boreas · #89 12-02-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by doucanoe

Believe what you wish.

RC

Harrumph!

John

Boreas · #90 12-02-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Patriotic tea party protesters mock the death of an uninsured pregnant woman and her child.

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/v...arty-patriots/

Yeah, that one has been around for a couple of weeks now. The official (???) Tea Party for the Chicago area has distanced itself from those responsible, calling them a "splinter group". As far as I'm concerned, the whole lot of 'em is a splinter group of humanity.

By the way, Charles Johnson, the blogger who started Little Green Footballs has become fed up with the Right and abandoned ship. What does that tell ya?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti...With_The_Right

John