The House just voted

[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by painter

Probably...sex changes. All of the above for Washington? Nobody thought about that...eh? What would Pelosi do?

Not to worry. The drafters of the bill conveniently wrote themselves out of having to participate. The people "must" participate, while congress and other "may" participate.

If this is so wonderful and glorious an occasion for all, why do you think that was???

RC

[piece-itpete]

I don't have sound so I'm not sure what this says:

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/2...ate-insurance/

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by merrylander

In truth 'we' are educating India and China's young people, take a tour around you friendly neighborhood campus.

Lmao!!!

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Reagan ate my baby!!

Since Bush is gone youall have to blame Reagan

I'd be more than happy to blame Bush and there's a lot to work with there but in this context he's just Ronnie's "heir".

Of course the Dems had control of Congress for what, 40 years give or take up till him?

Proving what, exactly?

Interesting thing about vouchers, Cleveland has been in front of this issue. It's awarded by lottery. So every year you get footage of desperately poor mostly black mothers bawling their eyes out because they lost and and have to send their kids to the public school.

Some private schools are better than most public schools. If Cleveland has a lottery for vouchers that subsidize tuition, all well and good but what St. Ronnie's disciples want is private school vouchers instead of public schools.

Says a lot about public schools. And no underfunded stuff either, Cleveland spends more per capita than most of the bluechip suburb schools and just spent well over a billion - half from the state - on rebuilding its' palaces of mediocritous decreptitude.

Fund 'em and fix 'em. Don't replace them with Christian madrassas.

I'm at work, check around, the only costs shown for Medicare are outlays for medical procedures - no building or other misc expenses, very convenient.

So, you just threw that reference to building expense for......... what?

I thought Medicare was reducing payments to doctors?

You may be thinking of the provision of some health care reform proposals pegging reimbursement rates for the public option to Medicare rates, or really Medicare rates plus 2% or 5% or.... whatever comes out of the sausage factory.

John

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Proving what, exactly?



Some private schools are better than most public schools. If Cleveland has a lottery for vouchers that subsidize tuition, all well and good but what St. Ronnie's disciples want is private school vouchers instead of public schools.



Fund 'em and fix 'em. Don't replace them with Christian madrassas.



So, you just threw that reference to building expense for......... what?



You may be thinking of the provision of some health care reform proposals pegging reimbursement rates for the public option to Medicare rates, or really Medicare rates plus 2% or 5% or.... whatever comes out of the sausage factory.

John

Congress passes the laws. They passed 'Reagans' laws.

Please, please, please, close down Cleveland public schools. Please. Throwing money at them doesn't work.

And I'm curious about these 'Christian madrases' you're referring to. I've heard of Christian schools, where the kids actually learn to read and write, but the only madrases I've heard of lately was Obamas

I hereby withdraw the building remark until I can back it up. For cuts, I suspect you are right

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Congress passes the laws. They passed 'Reagans' laws.

Point taken but much of what Reagan did required no legislation. It was done by policy decisions and directives from within government departments.

Please, please, please, close down Cleveland public schools. Please. Throwing money at them doesn't work.

Just throwing money at a problem never works but there's no reason why we can't make our public schools the envy of the world, just as they were in the '50s, '60s & '70s.

And I'm curious about these 'Christian madrases' you're referring to. I've heard of Christian schools, where the kids actually learn to read and write, but the only madrases I've heard of lately was Obamas

Yes, they learn to read and write but they're also given religious education. In some cases that religious education gets pretty crazy. Think of the nuttiest stuff you've heard from the religious right and be assured that same stuff and worse is being crammed into the heads of children somewhere.

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You may be thinking of the provision of some health care reform proposals pegging reimbursement rates for the public option to Medicare rates, or really Medicare rates plus 2% or 5% or.... whatever comes out of the sausage factory.

John

I think the insurance companies look at the medicare rates to determine what is fair and reasonable. They are more than happy with this portion of socialized medicine, which helps them save costs and increase profits.

Regards,

D-Ray

[painter]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Couldn't you say this about most jobs? Shoot, the best TV producers are the ones who love what they do. It's interesting, there's been a lot of speculation lately that we'll lose all our good doctors if we allow our Health Care system to be reformed. I won't get off on the tangent of not understanding the logic behind that at all.

Have a friend who's grandson dropped out of med school but for a slightly different reason. It seems we as a nation are importing sooo many foreign med students (free tuition) who are being given jobs in this country...that many of our American graduates are having to go to foreign countries. That coupled with the enormous tuition increases and malpractice insurance. Can't say if this is fact...but I have no reason to disbelieve. How many foreign doctors have you come in contact with?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

CPlease, please, please, close down Cleveland public schools. Please. Throwing money at them doesn't work.

I'm curious- why do you say that? Do you not think capitalism works? Do you not think more money in a free market would attract better talent?

[piece-itpete]

A government enforced union controlled monopoly is far from capitalism!

Seriously though, they've been throwing money at it and they are ratholes. Fancy ones now

Chinese and Indian parents *make* their kids do thier homework, like ours did

Pete