Barack H. Obama and your Second Amendment Rights !

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by Zeke

They don't have to be, which is the point. (And that's not a liberal or conservative thought, it's a rational one.)

And no, I am not "anti-gun."

Guns are a tool and that would be like being "anti-shovel." But -- even for a mere shovel -- there are folks you are supposed to phone before you dig in your own yard to keep from hitting stuff.

Metaphorically, that's all I am asking for regarding gun control: prove to me you're not a dumbass before I hand you a tool specifically designed to kill people.

Good point.
Parents seek justice for unarmed son's killing

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_1...-sons-killing/

Looks like the cop in the video is not sure how to cover up for this goon that shot the kid armed with iced tea and a bag of Skittles.



Carl

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Chas
Would this be true almost exclusively only if your adversary had a gun and you knew in advance that he was coming to "get you."

If I knew that an adversary were coming, I would call the police and have him arrested upon entry to my home !

I don't think for a moment that you or anyone is deluded, I think you feeling safer is an emotion comfort brought to you by a firearm which may not be the case in fact.

Not nearly as deluded as a person that does not have a firearm feels, and believes they are safe.

Walking down the street or being asleep at home and caught off guard having a gun at the ready might well prove to have the opposite effect of keeping you and yours safe.

I am never off guard on the streets ! And in my home I have devices that warn me if anything enters the building, so again I am never totally off guard.
The responsibility of the lives of my family and myself, are mine, and I take that responsibility seriously.

Least this is what most studies not done by the NRA find.

A very interesting situation, noon, but studies only show what they want to show you. Every year thousands of citizens ward off threats and attacks by merely showing their firearm. And these are rarely reported, as nothing occurred, the criminals prefer unarmed victims, so they fled. Besides, the news rarely reports attempted assaults, nor do the police investigate attempted assaults, as they have little hope of investigating actual physical assaults where injuries do occur.

I have no pity for men that are too afraid to protect and defend there families and homes.

Sincerely,

Bill

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by barbara

The thing I can never understand about gun enthusiasts.... They say they need them for protection. Then they say they are responsible gun owners who keep their guns locked up and unloaded.
It just seems to me that if one finds themselves in a position where they have to defend themselves..like, say a robber comes into their home.... What is that gun owner going to do.... Tell the robber to wait one minute while they go unlock the gun and load it? I've never been a burglar, but I would imagine the element of surprise is an advantage over the victim and waiting for the victim to go get a gun and load it might be counter productive.

So Please inform us barbara,

Tell us what an expert like you does to protect their families and themselves from criminals !

Bill

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

I have no pity for men that are too afraid to protect and defend there families and homes.

I have no pity for men who do not realize their actions typically reduce the safety of those whom they profess to hold dear.

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

Tell us what an expert like you does to protect their families and themselves from criminals!

Step One would be to destroy the fallacy that I am suddenly "safe" if packing.

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by Zeke

My discovered simple truth is this, and no manner of training, expertise, or skill (by anyone involved including me) has been able to change it:

1. If a firearm is not available, accessible, loaded and willing to be used then it may as well be an anvil a thousand miles away.

2. If a firearm is available, accessible, loaded and willing to be used than you have just made the situation more dangerous for everyone, including yourself.

Amongst the general populace, carrying concealed is just bringing your baby blanket with you. It might make you feel empowered/comfortable but only because you've never thought about it or been there.

I respectfully disagree Zeke,

While when carrieng a weapon, and not needing it, is a security blanket. However if for any reason a situation arises that requires you to protest your family and/or your self it becomes the difference between life and death or serious injury.
I have been in that situation, and there is a great deal of responsibility in when and how one reacts to a criminal attack. By displaying my pistol forcefully, I thwarted off both attacks by multiple attackers. If not I would have had to kill or injure these men.
And I might point out that I have had to cause very damaging injuries to attackers, when I defended my family and myself, as well as receiving injuries to myself during this attack.

Sincerely,

Bill

[bobabode]

So, what all this boils down to is . Since the slut card didn't fly, the gun card is floated. Hmmmm, I thinks I'm gettin' a whiff o McKeefe in de air.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

I respectfully disagree Zeke,

While when carrieng a weapon, and not needing it, is a security blanket. However if for any reason a situation arises that requires you to protest your family and/or your self it becomes the difference between life and death or serious injury.
I have been in that situation, and there is a great deal of responsibility in when and how one reacts to a criminal attack. By displaying my pistol forcefully, I thwarted off both attacks by multiple attackers. If not I would have had to kill or injure these men.
And I might point out that I have had to cause very damaging injuries to attackers, when I defended my family and myself, as well as receiving injuries to myself during this attack.

Sincerely,

Bill

I'm curious as to the details, if you don't mind. Since you mention personal experience with physical attacks.

[piece-itpete]

The thought that I and my family is less safe when packing strikes me as odd. 'I'm sorry wife! I meant to shoot the bad guy not you!'

That's pretty bad aim....

Pete

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The thought that I and my family is less safe when packing strikes me as odd. 'I'm sorry wife! I meant to shoot the bad guy not you!'

That's pretty bad aim....

Pete

Have you ever had to rack one into the chamber and actually hit anything under extreme stress or duress? (Combat Accuracy is an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at ten feet, MOST of the time.)

I am NOT pulling the "I've been there" card.

I AM saying that your quote isn't as well thought out as I typically believe you to be.

Under extreme stress, we're all just lucky to not shoot ourselves in the foot.

[Big_Bill]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I'm curious as to the details, if you don't mind. Since you mention personal experience with physical attacks.

Which attacks, the armed or unarmed attacks ?

I can also provide you with military attacks in Viet Nam, and Attacks by criminals when I worked for the BATF&E.

Bill