Hillary For President

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The government isn't the foundation. WE ARE. And a "foundation" of citizens who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and their own narrow, greedy desires is a shit foundation.
I have seen Idiocracy and it is US.

Alright, I've had enough of this...........Rant over. I'm headed out to the garage. Enjoy your evening.

Pardon me for the edit but the bolded sentence explains all. We have become a nation of very selfish people, 'what's mine is mine' attitude prevails. No empathy, caring or sharing. Of course we are smart enough to give the newer generation names; X-Gen, Y-Gen, Me-Gen, etc. Clever!

And if one even attempts to address these issues, you will be branded a sosialist which is death knell for a politician. Trump is making a lot of sense to the right wingers and he is devil incarnate to the rest of us. Bernie is drawing huge audiences yet is branded a sosialist and thus is unelectable. Meanwhile Hillary and Jeb are sitting on mountains of cash (all to be repaid in kind and more) waiting to spend to get elected.

Yes, we are doomed. How can we spend billions on a general election yet refuse to fund basic social welfare programs?

[catswiththum]

I agree with most of what both of you said (except for the doomed part), with a caveat.

The situation we currently find ourselves in demands the funding of social welfare programs.

What is disheartening, as Bluestreak alluded to, is that we seem to be more selfish (although human nature is an unusual thing) and because we have fewer and fewer connections with our fellow human beings and families are increasingly fragmented, those social programs are necessary to provide what we used to do/give to each other.

The various programs that keep people housed and fed are the last resort, but any 1st year psychology student can tell you the way we learn, grow, and gain confidence to achieve and be happy is through relationships and trust with our fellow humans.

A faceless bureaucracy is no replacement for human warmth, but as that seems to be sorely lacking these days, it is needed for the basic staples of life for many.

[4-2-7]

Sorry people.... The last thing I would label the American population is greedy and selfish with their time and money. We are the most generous population on the planet individually and collectively no matter background, party affiliation and socioeconomic status.

Even if we had a poll on a small pool of people like here, I couldn't label people like that. I think it's ingrained in the population to be giving of what you can and have. The little bit I know and see of actions by BeamOn, Bob, Steve, Dave, D-Ray and many others here and at AK, greedy and selfish would not be used to describe them. While I may not agree with other behaviors and views of these people it doesn't mean I can generalize them and separate them from their individuality. I'm sure if political views where left out anyone of you could be quiet fun to hangout with and shoot the shit spinning some records.

So we get back to the people in power who missguided , lie and steal their way to power and control the masses by dividing them.

Dave is kinda right....It's "US"...but

We get our power back when we are willing to look at what bonds "US" together and make that the priority in our lives.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Sorry people.... The last thing I would label the American population is greedy and selfish with their time and money. We are the most generous population on the planet individually and collectively no matter background, party affiliation and socioeconomic status.

The most generous people on God's earth.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Pardon me for the edit but the bolded sentence explains all. We have become a nation of very selfish people, 'what's mine is mine' attitude prevails. No empathy, caring or sharing. Of course we are smart enough to give the newer generation names; X-Gen, Y-Gen, Me-Gen, etc. Clever!

And if one even attempts to address these issues, you will be branded a sosialist which is death knell for a politician. Trump is making a lot of sense to the right wingers and he is devil incarnate to the rest of us. Bernie is drawing huge audiences yet is branded a sosialist and thus is unelectable. Meanwhile Hillary and Jeb are sitting on mountains of cash (all to be repaid in kind and more) waiting to spend to get elected.

Yes, we are doomed. How can we spend billions on a general election yet refuse to fund basic social welfare programs?

Pragmatically speaking then Hillary is the best candidate if you want social welfare programs funded. Bush will not do that, and Sanders would most likely not win on a national ticket. I don't want to mention the nativist. You might not like her but she is the only one capable of extending Obama's agenda and at worst is a block against the idiots in the other Party.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

I agree with most of what both of you said (except for the doomed part), with a caveat.

The situation we currently find ourselves in demands the funding of social welfare programs.

social programs are necessary to provide what we used to do/give to each other.

Actually most social programs exist because people never did take care of others period. Not out of hate but because they themselves are busy taking care of their own families and cannot take on the burden of others.
Large social programs make things better for everyone, and most people who need help would rather get it from a government agency than ask for charity from neighbors or family. So large governmental bureaucracies like the SS administration and WIC give dignity to those who need it in times of trouble.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by icenine

Pragmatically speaking then Hillary is the best candidate if you want social welfare programs funded. Bush will not do that, and Sanders would most likely not win on a national ticket. I don't want to mention the nativist. You might not like her but she is the only one capable of extending Obama's agenda and at worst is a block against the idiots in the other Party.

I don't know if you noticed the population wants "Change"...you know? what Obama ran on. Yes Hillary is more of the same.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by icenine

Actually most social programs exist because people never did take care of others period. Not out of hate but because they themselves are busy taking care of their own families and cannot take on the burden of others.
Large social programs make things better for everyone, and most people who need help would rather get it from a government agency than ask for charity from neighbors or family. So large governmental bureaucracies like the SS administration and WIC give dignity to those who need it in times of trouble.

And it cost the tax payer 300% more suporting not only the people in need but the governmental bureaucracies.

[djv8ga]

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[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Actually most social programs exist because people never did take care of others period. Not out of hate but because they themselves are busy taking care of their own families and cannot take on the burden of others.
Large social programs make things better for everyone, and most people who need help would rather get it from a government agency than ask for charity from neighbors or family. So large governmental bureaucracies like the SS administration and WIC give dignity to those who need it in times of trouble.

Very true.

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