Stop Stepping On My Rights Obama!!!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Good grief, have you folks lost your mind. This was a very minor decision that attempts to solve a constitutional problem. If you read the decision, you'll find what was being weighed. It's a measured decision and IMNSHO a correct decision. The democrats will be out in force trying to turn this into a cog in their mythical "war on women." Ayatollah? We have someone with similar autocratic tendencies currently in office. Thankfully, people seem to finally be waking up to his utter incompetence.

I have a difficult time believing that staunch democrats actually believe that this president has been an effective leader. Domestically, internationally, and even in general character attributes, Obama has been an abject failure. Though Carter was bad, he at least was veracious and not a narcissist that believes in his own infallible correctness.

Putting aside your fairly whiffed up and partisan opinion of the CIC, how do you explain away congress historically abysmal approval rating of 7% in this? The Republicans in the House have blocked everything except renaming post offices since '10. Methinks your ire is a trifle misplaced or at the least you're indulging in some transferrance of emotion.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Every American is guaranteed "Inalienable Rights"

That's where you're wrong. Guarantees come from someone or something willing to enforce them.

You can believe people have 'natural rights' all day, and you can even be right, but belief, and being right, guarantee nothing.

What we are 'guaranteed' is whatever rights others feel they 'have' to respect. Your best bet is if they are 'guaranteed' by a non-corrupt legal system, that will back up your rights with armed force, if necessary. But of course, legal systems deal with civil rights. They do not enforce or guarantee natural rights, except as they have been made into civil rights.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

So why do we have the A.C.A. than? I talk about reality, not what was supposed to be.

We have that because of the dumb shit running this country. The problem is they want to do all these thing all the while stepping all over our Inalienable Rights. THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

Not even Obama

The left always wants to talk about other countries have this they have that. They don't have our fucking "United States Declaration of Independence"

Why? because we left those fucked up countries to do something better. If the left want Europe move.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

+1. Jimmy looks good now.

He always has looked good from where we stand.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Well.

"Unalienable rights' is a phrase in the Declaration of Independence, not in the Constitution. As it happens I think the DOI should carry some weight, for example in respecting the human rights of non-citizens. But the Supreme Court hasn't caught up with me yet on that one, I don't think.

Civil rights aren't the same, you are correct. Civil rights are the rights one has under law. In usage, it's come to mean rights guaranteed under the Federal constitution and laws, but often denied to some individuals due to discrimination at the state and local level. But in any case, they include unalienable rights, that is the natural rights all humans everywhere have, but only to the extent that those rights are recognized in the laws. The two sets of rights therefore should overlap, at least. Ideally, enlightened civil rights should include all unalienable rights.

Anyway, can you now explain what all this has to do with whats right or wrong regarding the Hobby Lobby case?

Government can not trample someones Inalienable Rights over laws they chose to pass, no way never.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

We have that because of the dumb shit running this country. The problem is they want to do all these thing all the while stepping all over our Inalienable Rights. THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

Not even Obama

The left always wants to talk about other countries have this they have that. They don't have our fucking "United States Declaration of Independence"

Why? because we left those fucked up countries to do something better. If the left want Europe move.

Have you ever seen "Back To School?" The scene where Dangerfield is explaining to the professor about paying off all of the services (I can't remember it well enough to quote) is reality. I deal with large parcels of private property. I have to jump through the same types of hoops all the damn time. It shouldn't be this way according to the founding fathers, but it is the reality of the situation today.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

He always has looked good from where we stand.

You damn leftwinger! Hey, we even have Brown back. I recall in HS a state assemblyman coming to class with a pot plant saying how it would be legal soon. BTW, I much preferred Billy and his beer over Carter and his giant rabbit and malaise speech.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

And opens the door for striking down any Government funding using taxpayers money.

Originally Posted by djv8ga

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the reality is we will pay for it anyway.

Nope and that's why I made the above statement, we all are afforded this judgment. We are all taxpayers we all have Inalienable Rights so if government uses taxes to pay for it they are stepping on some Americans rights.

Looks like this can affect Planed Parent Hood, Privet donations needed.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Government can not trample someones Inalienable Rights over laws they chose to pass, no way never.

They can't? But through history, lots of them have done it, a lot.

When Hitler killed all those people he didn't like, wasn't he trampling their inalienable Rights? And wasn't he the government?

What you mean is they 'shouldn't' trample people's natural rights. But I'm afraid your 'guarantee' isn't worth the piece of paper it isn't printed on.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Nope and that's why I made the above statement, we all are afforded this judgment. We are all taxpayers we all have Inalienable Rights so if government uses taxes to pay for it they are stepping on some Americans rights.

Looks like this can affect Planed Parent Hood, Privet donations needed.

Do you claim you have a right (inalienable) to veto any government expenditure of tax money that you say is against your religion?

Does everyone else have this right too?