Best & Worst States To Be A Taxpayer

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

And especially when they see such pension as a reward for political support.

hey it is bad form to quote yourself lol

that is like talking about yourself in the third person lol.....like Mr Hoggy lol

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Anyone in the Navy in the 80s would have never believed it would be one of the better jobs in the 2010s.


What I mean by that is a job with actual benefits like health care, paid time off, and a pension plan.

Yep. When I joined the Navy in '82, lots of the people I knew had decent paying (private sector) jobs with pension benefits. Thank God we've done away with that, it was way too good for them and the corporations resented being saddled with it. See, now we get to support them with our tax money through PBGC and the social safety net. It's so much better that way, because now the Romney types can bitch about the 47% while they avoid paying taxes and stick us with the bill. They are so much happier with that arrangement. And that's what life is all about, isn't it? Keeping rich people happy...... (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)

Dave

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by icenine

hey it is bad form to quote yourself lol

that is like talking about yourself in the third person lol.....like Mr Hoggy lol

Extension of a thought is good form.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The problem is the dynamic in play in many cities and states, whereby politicians obligate future politicians/generations to pay outsize pensions while thereby keeping present-day wages/salaries low in an effort to keep their budgets in balance. They get to look like effective budget managers (in the short term) while hobbling future leaders/taxpayers.

And then when it all blows up, the politicians aren't blamed...no, they blame the teacher, or the clerk, or the policeman or fireman who took the job in good faith with the pension as part of his pay package for being greedy.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by MrPots

And then when it all blows up, the politicians aren't blamed...no, they blame the teacher, or the clerk, or the policeman or fireman who took the job in good faith with the pension as part of his pay package for being greedy.

The former politician doesn't do what you're saying. He's gone and forgotten. The new one does it because no politician can raise taxes and get reelected. And so it goes.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by MrPots

And then when it all blows up, the politicians aren't blamed...no, they blame the teacher, or the clerk, or the policeman or fireman who took the job in good faith with the pension as part of his pay package for being greedy.

Originally Posted by finnbow

The former politician doesn't do what you're saying. He's gone and forgotten. The new one does it because no politician can raise taxes and get reelected. And so it goes.

Maybe so.

But doesn't make it any less maddening to be painted as greedy, a whiner or an entitled brat because you expect your employer to keep their end of the bargain now, does it? What, we're "pussies" because we expect to get what we work for?

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Maybe so.

But doesn't make it any less maddening to be painted as greedy, a whiner or an entitled brat because you expect your employer to keep their end of the bargain now, does it? What, we're "pussies" because we expect to get what we work for?

Dave

No. But once the $hit hits the fan (i.e., the municipality is on the verge of bankruptcy due to overwhelming pension debt), they have little choice. The dynamic I described has been in place for years and once it unravels, everybody gets phucked.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

No. But once the $hit hits the fan (i.e., the municipality is on the verge of bankruptcy due to overwhelming pension debt), they have little choice. The dynamic I described has been in place for years and once it unravels, everybody gets phucked.

Plain and simple. Could not be any clearer.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

No. But once the $hit hits the fan (i.e., the municipality is on the verge of bankruptcy due to overwhelming pension debt), they have little choice. The dynamic I described has been in place for years and once it unravels, everybody gets phucked.

I think this is one thing finn and I see eye to eye on.

Promises can be made and people counting on them. But in the end if it gets out of hand and unsustainable it brakes. In the end someone get phucked, guess who.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Plain and simple. Could not be any clearer.

+1 & my wife might be one of the screwed.
EDIT - Were going to "Prepper Fest Az" tomorrow.