The House just voted

[Grumpy]

Actually I am not complaining so much about bad teachers but bad unions protecting poorly performing workers. This takes money away from those who actually deserve it.

My oldest daughter is going to school to be a special ed teacher and i doubt she will have any problem finding work.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Somehow this has to be Reagan's fault.

Lmao!! You're killing me Eddie

Pete

[Grumpy]

Dagnabit ! Burger king put onions on my burger again. Its Gore's fault I tell you !!!

Oh wait I mean bush..

[hillbilly]

Many people go to collage with money in mind. Sure, if teaching jobs paid 100k, then ALOT more folks would want to teach just for the money.


But quess what? The best teachers out there teach because THEY LOVE KIDS AND WANT TO TEACH, there for, the money is not such an issue to them.

We gotta dick over our county schools now thats a transplant. He took the job here because land is cheap, cost of living is cheap, and the job pays 110k a year. When our school had 482 kids out with flu and doctors confirmed most were h1n1, this same dick said school would remain in session .. no closing school because kids can run .. but they can't hide from swine flu.

Funny thing. School systems over in the Nashville area have FAR, FAR,FAR more poulation than our tiny school system, and they were on the news saying they shut school down because 22 kids had h1n1.

Now just immagine for a second if that same dick that moved here for the big money and low cost of living had got lucky enough to land his job in the big city .. where far more kids are at risk.

If you go to collage to land a low paying job teaching, most likely your doing it because you love helping kids. Throw big bucks in the mix and you'll have folks only wanting to teach BECAUSE IT PAYS WELL, and would only be a paycheck to them.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

But quess what? The best teachers out there teach because THEY LOVE KIDS AND WANT TO TEACH, there for, the money is not such an issue to them.

Couldn't you say this about most jobs? Shoot, the best TV producers are the ones who love what they do. It's interesting, there's been a lot of speculation lately that we'll lose all our good doctors if we allow our Health Care system to be reformed. I won't get off on the tangent of not understanding the logic behind that at all. But don't you think the best doctors are the ones who love helping people? I do. All the same, given a choice, I'll take the best guy in the country if my life depends on it. He probably loves helping people. Probably makes a boat load of cash too.

I love kids and would love to be a teacher. My parents, as I said, were both in education. Most of my mom's family was. Would have been an easy choice for me. But I kinda wanted to make some money. If teaching paid better, might have been a different deal. I'm not sure it's smart to rely on "good intentions" when talking about our children's education.

I'd just as soon have the person who loves children and wants to teach *and* was recruited with a large pay check in a competative market. I find it ironic that so often people who are 100% behind the free market think it doesn't apply to our schools.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It's very easy to be a cheaply run system when secondary costs like buildings etc are off the books and when you want to save money you just cut payments for services rendered!!

What buildings would those be? When has Medicare ever reduced its reimbursement rates?

You mean, Republicans don't agree with Democrats? The horror!

No, that's not what I mean. Republicans whine all the time about a lack of bipartisanship because Democrats won't do exactly what they want them to. That's what bipartisanship means to them.

You think schools are substantially different now then 20 years ago? And damn that Reagan, messing up my local school. Is there anything he can't do?

It's the old Republican whine: government doesn't work. Then they go out and prove it by defunding programs until they can't work.

Republicans since Reagan have been out to destroy public education in favor of charter schools and a voucher system. Did you know that Right Wing talk show host Bill Bennet used to be Reagan's Secretary of Education? did you know he got the job on the strength of his view that the Department of Education should be done away with? He also wants religious education to be mandatory.

John

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Republicans whine all the time about a lack of bipartisanship because Democrats won't do exactly what they want them to. That's what bipartisanship means to them.

Oh come on. Republicans are bi-partisan! That one guy voted for Health Care.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Republicans since Reagan have been out to destroy public education in favor of charter schools and a voucher system.

QFT. You know why we beat up on Reagan so much? Becuase he was the most destructive American who ever lived. He was the first to suggest that we shouldn't have to pay for educating our kids. He began undercutting all the things that made this country great.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Boreas

What buildings would those be? When has Medicare ever reduced its reimbursement rates?

No, that's not what I mean. Republicans whine all the time about a lack of bipartisanship because Democrats won't do exactly what they want them to. That's what bipartisanship means to them.

It's the old Republican whine: government doesn't work. Then they go out and prove it by defunding programs until they can't work.

Republicans since Reagan have been out to destroy public education in favor of charter schools and a voucher system. Did you know that Right Wing talk show host Bill Bennet used to be Reagan's Secretary of Education? did you know he got the job on the strength of his view that the Department of Education should be done away with? He also wants religious education to be mandatory.

John

Reagan ate my baby!!

Since Bush is gone youall have to blame Reagan

Of course the Dems had control of Congress for what, 40 years give or take up till him?

Interesting thing about vouchers, Cleveland has been in front of this issue. It's awarded by lottery. So every year you get footage of desperately poor mostly black mothers bawling their eyes out because they lost and and have to send their kids to the public school.

Says a lot about public schools. And no underfunded stuff either, Cleveland spends more per capita than most of the bluechip suburb schools and just spent well over a billion - half from the state - on rebuilding its' palaces of mediocritous decreptitude.

I'm at work, check around, the only costs shown for Medicare are outlays for medical procedures - no building or other misc expenses, very convenient.

I thought Medicare was reducing payments to doctors?

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

Here's the thing. We can debate and postulate the best way to educate our children. We can talk about how black people cry when they don't get in the school they want. We can say "why should I have to pay for your kid's education". We can hem and haw all day long. In the mean time, India, Japan and China are educating their kids. They realize what we once did: our country will be as great in 20 years time as our elementry education system is today.

This is just my opinion, but if you love America you should demand that the greatest nation on Earth have the best public education on the planet. It's that simple.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Here's the thing. We can debate and postulate the best way to educate our children. We can talk about how black people cry when they don't get in the school they want. We can say "why should I have to pay for your kid's education". We can hem and haw all day long. In the mean time, India, Japan and China are educating their kids. They realize what we once did: our country will be as great in 20 years time as our elementry education system is today.

This is just my opinion, but if you love America you should demand that the greatest nation on Earth have the best public education on the planet. It's that simple.

In truth 'we' are educating India and China's young people, take a tour around you friendly neighborhood campus.