Fox needs to be stopped!

[finnbow]

Here's a brief synopsis of what I read somewhere:

He was kicked out of junior college for five incidents that required the intervention of campus security. He would not be reinstated until a psychiatrist vouched that he wouldn't present a danger to his classmates.

So a public institution takes disciplinary action against him for being unhinged, yet he can mosey into a gun store, buy a Glock, and carry it concealed? Wonderful.

Is this what James Madison had in mind?

[merrylander]

Hmm, if you get convicted say three times of DWI they lift your driver's license, is a background check unreasonable. Near as I recal the looney toons at the VA univerisity bought his two guns over the internet.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Hmm, if you get convicted say three times of DWI they lift your driver's license, is a background check unreasonable. Near as I recal the looney toons at the VA univerisity bought his two guns over the internet.

Nope. One was purchased at a gun shop in Roanoke, the other at a pawn shop in Blacksburg. You still can't buy guns directly over the Internet (except blackpowder arms and replicas) without involving a Federally licensed firearms dealer in your state.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Here's a brief synopsis of what I read somewhere:

He was kicked out of junior college for five incidents that required the intervention of campus security. He would not be reinstated until a psychiatrist vouched that he wouldn't present a danger to his classmates.

So a public institution takes disciplinary action against him for being unhinged, yet he can mosey into a gun store, buy a Glock, and carry it concealed? Wonderful.

Is this what James Madison had in mind?

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? That's one of my favorite bumper stickers.
I've always wanted to make one that says; "What part of "psychologically unstable" don't you understand?".

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? That's one of my favorite bumper stickers.
I've always wanted to make one that says; "What part of "psychologically unstable" don't you understand?".

Dave

The part about state militias.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Nope. One was purchased at a gun shop in Roanoke, the other at a pawn shop in Blacksburg. You still can't buy guns directly over the Internet (except blackpowder arms and replicas) without involving a Federally licensed firearms dealer in your state.

That is my understanding, that you can buy it online but that it has to go through a local, licensed dealer. One would think that the local dealer, unless he is getting a piece of the action, would want to impede the sale.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by merrylander

That is my understanding, that you can buy it online but that it has to go through a local, licensed dealer. One would think that the local dealer, unless he is getting a piece of the action, would want to impede the sale.

A person with an FFL (Federal Firearms License) charges a fee for somebody wanting to use him to facilitate an Internet purchase. The FFL holder may also be required by law to collect sales tax, background check fees, or other transfer-related fees (depending on the state).

A number of gun shops are unwilling or reluctant to do this as it, in effect, creates competition against themselves by allowing folks to shop the Internet for cheap pricing rather than buying retail. OTOH, an entire network of FFL's exists to facilitate such purchases. http://fflgundealers.net/. A few years back, a typically FFL fee for such a purchase was ~$40. I don't know what it is nowadays.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by merrylander

That is my understanding, that you can buy it online but that it has to go through a local, licensed dealer. One would think that the local dealer, unless he is getting a piece of the action, would want to impede the sale.

I am sure he gets credit for the sales. This is now common in all of retail now.



for example if you buy baseball cleats from Dick's Sporting Goods on line you are buying from the same company as if you had bought them at Modell's Sporting Good.

Or the manufacturer generates and fills the sale direct via the web but gives full credit to their retail vendor with the closest zip code in exchange for good will and service.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by finnbow

In the words of the Pima County Sheriff (almost certainly a Republican):

“When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

In other words, you reap what you sow.

This sheriff is being attacked by Fox again today as he was last night. Fox thinks he is the bad guy for speaking the truth. They want a gag order placed on him!

These bastards are slime.

It's a great deflection for a political organization with a devoted flock waiting to be told how to react.

Fox is anti american. When will they catch on?

They are talking about how other countries have these shootings. Why? This is our country not Germany or France.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

A person with an FFL (Federal Firearms License) charges a fee for somebody wanting to use him to facilitate an Internet purchase. The FFL holder may also be required by law to collect sales tax, background check fees, or other transfer-related fees (depending on the state).

A number of gun shops are unwilling or reluctant to do this as it, in effect, creates competition against themselves by allowing folks to shop the Internet for cheap pricing rather than buying retail. OTOH, an entire network of FFL's exists to facilitate such purchases. http://fflgundealers.net/. A few years back, a typically FFL fee for such a purchase was ~$40. I don't know what it is nowadays.

An internet sale, other than black powder or an air gun would require two FFL holders along with a NICS check. It's a pretty secure way to sell firearms, with the vast majority of transactions taking place from wholesalers, and sites like Gunbroker.com or Gunsamerica.com.

Personally, if I decide to sell my Python, Diamondback, original Marlin .410, or a few other collectibles I would use the internet. They will bring a far better price there than they would by selling them through the want ads.

In the good old days, Shotgun News was pretty much the bible for gun brokers, but you still had to work through FFL's. Have you ever seen a copy Finn, they sold everything from a BB gun to a Class III Browning .50. Everything by the book, of course, only a damn fool would take a chance on selling a firearm through the mail, they will put you in jail for that.

I've bought a few mail order guns, the fee was 10% or less, depending on how many favors I'd done for the FFL I was dealing with. But I still had to do the paperwork.

Now if I really want a gun without a paperwork trail, all I have to do is pull some green out of the safe, walk up to the beer joint, and the odds are I'll have something by the end of the day. Especially if I'm willing to pay too much.

Firearms, much like drugs, are highly regulated but easily accessible to anyone who desires them. Unfortunately, the insane aren't regulated until after the fact.

It's always been like that, and I'm not sure that there is any way to change it.

Chas