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09-14-2015, 08:32 AM
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Trump runs a flim-flam scam and defrauds rubes. But that's OK because he says some good populist stuff?
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It's OK because he's scaring the shit out of the Republicans.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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09-14-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BeamOn
Trump is just a phenomena for now attracting the masses for his fame and fortune. No one is really tuned into his message or lack thereof, nor politically engaged in depth. Will this sustain? Probably for now since there is no one in either party that can provide the level entertainment that Trump can. So the show will go on until people tire of him and let's hope not too soon.
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I wish I could agree with you. I think Trump is connecting with people's racism and xenophobia and with their admiration for success through bullying. These are the reasons his comments and behavior have only increased his popularity.
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09-14-2015, 10:05 AM
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I do not think he is good for America.
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09-14-2015, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by icenine
I do not think he is good for America.
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Certainly not for our image.
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09-14-2015, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Boreas
I wish I could agree with you. I think Trump is connecting with people's racism and xenophobia and with their admiration for success through bullying. These are the reasons his comments and behavior have only increased his popularity.
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Will his popularity translate into votes during crunch time, this is what I am questioning. Some of his popularity I assume is a given considering his TV persona. And yes, he is connecting with the racist element of his party which is hopefully a small portion of the GOP. So I believe this is entertainment based, say the bad boy candidate rather than substance based. While at it he is managing expose the bigotry and hypocrisy of the GOP. And some of his comments are legit while he offers no solutions.
Truth be told, just about every candidate is boring and a lightweight. next debate is probably going to be a tribute to RR than a serious policy discussion.
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09-14-2015, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BeamOn
Will his popularity translate into votes during crunch time, this is what I am questioning. Some of his popularity I assume is a given considering his TV persona. And yes, he is connecting with the racist element of his party which is hopefully a small portion of the GOP. So I believe this is entertainment based, say the bad boy candidate rather than substance based. While at it he is managing expose the bigotry and hypocrisy of the GOP. And some of his comments are legit while he offers no solutions.
Truth be told, just about every candidate is boring and a lightweight. next debate is probably going to be a tribute to RR than a serious policy discussion.
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The lesson here is that the racist element in the Republican base is larger than anticipated and it appears to be large enough to determine the nominee. I think the reason that nobody thought it was so big is that it wasn't. Overt racism and xenophobia has been growing exponentially since 9-11 and since the election of Barack Obama.
The reasons should be obvious. It should also be obvious that the Republicans, as the war party and as the Obama-hating party, deliberately or otherwise, have put out the welcome mat for the worst elements of our society.
The truth is, unless he's derailed by a personal scandal of epic proportions, Trump appears to be a shoo-in for the Republican nomination. It also appears that none of the Democratic hopefuls has the juice to overtake Hillary. So, we'll have a general election of Trump vs. Clinton and, as always, the winner will be determined by the middle. Will they go go for Trump despite his demagoguery and nastiness or will they go for Clinton despite the constant drumbeat of faux scandal and despite her gender? I don't have the answer but it seems to me that it could go either way.
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09-14-2015, 10:39 AM
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I do not think he is good for America.
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I think it's a good sign.
I've been wondering just how long the American people were going to put up with the ass fucking they have been getting from our political system that is owned by the corporate overlords before they finally rise up and say "Fuck this shit!"
I see the support for Trump and Sanders as evidence that it may finally be happening.
I mean think about the audacity and arrogance of the plutocracy. They were actually asking the public to accept a Bush vs. Clinton election. Are you fucking kidding me?
My dream election is Trump vs. Sanders.
That will be the public giving a big FUCK YOU! to the political establishment and I think that would be great.
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09-14-2015, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BeamOn
Will his popularity translate into votes during crunch time, this is what I am questioning. Some of his popularity I assume is a given considering his TV persona. And yes, he is connecting with the racist element of his party which is hopefully a small portion of the GOP. So I believe this is entertainment based, say the bad boy candidate rather than substance based. While at it he is managing expose the bigotry and hypocrisy of the GOP. And some of his comments are legit while he offers no solutions.
Truth be told, just about every candidate is boring and a lightweight. next debate is probably going to be a tribute to RR than a serious policy discussion.
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A few years ago somebody who spoke like Trump would have been shamed out of the running, much less given legitimacy.
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09-14-2015, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
I think it's a good sign.
I've been wondering just how long the American people were going to put up with the ass fucking they have been getting from our political system that is owned by the corporate overlords before they finally rise up and say "Fuck this shit!"
I see the support for Trump and Sanders as evidence that it may finally be happening.
I mean think about the audacity and arrogance of the plutocracy. They were actually asking the public to accept a Bush vs. Clinton election. Are you fucking kidding me?
My dream election is Trump vs. Sanders.
That will be the public giving a big FUCK YOU! to the political establishment and I think that would be great.
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OMG! I agree with this whole post!
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09-14-2015, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Joad
I think it's a good sign.
I've been wondering just how long the American people were going to put up with the ass fucking they have been getting from our political system that is owned by the corporate overlords before they finally rise up and say "Fuck this shit!"
I see the support for Trump and Sanders as evidence that it may finally be happening.
I mean think about the audacity and arrogance of the plutocracy. They were actually asking the public to accept a Bush vs. Clinton election. Are you fucking kidding me?
My dream election is Trump vs. Sanders.
That will be the public giving a big FUCK YOU! to the political establishment and I think that would be great.
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Trump isn't a corporate overlord??
Since when?
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