The Affordable Care Act

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

It became a "perk" because of the confluence of government - mandated wage controls that were rolled out during WWII, and heated competition for labor during that time. Because employers couldn't compete for labor with wages, they resorted to competing with "perks", such as company paid health insurance. Following the war, unions included health benefits in collective bargaining.

If you don't like the "attitude" about treating benefits as employer - funded health care, you should dislike Obamacare as well. Obamacare cements the requirement of employer - funded healthcare into federal law.

I don't believe most true progressives like the ACA at all...outside of it ending the pre-existing condition bullshit, and that it finally makes covered healthcare available to everybody.

True progressives want the for-profit insurance industry and employers out of health care. It's why you keep seeing various lefties saying, over and over, that they'll support a Republican politician who will work toward a government sponsored single payer system.

What I do believe is that after all this time, those who oppose the ACA without suggesting an affordable plan that covers everybody, or supporting any politician with an existing affordable plan that covers everybody (if you can find one), don't give a shit in Boner's hat for how many American families are going bankrupt every year in this country and for how many people are dying every year in this country for lack of that coverage.

So the rest of the discussion, such as the bilge in your first paragraph above, at this point is just an effort at distraction and misdirection by those who don't care about those who are sick or less fortunate who are going broke and dying for nothing but partisan bullshit.

[4-2-7]

2/4/14

CBO Reports 2.3 million full time jobs lost over Obama care.

[bobabode]

Nope. Got it wrong again. Here and here

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Nope. Got it wrong again. Here and here

I'm beginning to believe 4-2-7 cannot read.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm beginning to believe 4-2-7 cannot read.

I think it's more the case that he doesn't read. He gets his "news" from Faux or talk radio, methinks.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Nope. Got it wrong again. Here and here

The interesting thing is that this really isn't news in the sense that these numbers were predicted when the law was enacted. It only stands to reason that if the only reason you're still working is to get health care that you can finally retire now that Obamacare offers the ability to get health care. This could indeed be beneficial if it results in new people now get hired to backfill the vacated positions.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So the rest of the discussion, such as the bilge in your first paragraph above, at this point is just an effort at distraction and misdirection by those who don't care about those who are sick or less fortunate who are going broke and dying for nothing but partisan bullshit.

I've often found that those who refer to recorded history and fact as "bilge" and "an effort at distraction and misdirection" often mistake their own emotionalism and histrionics as reasoned discourse. Here. Maybe this will help:

http://www.ebri.org/publications/fac...fm?fa=0302fact

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Nope. Got it wrong again. Here and here

Thats got to be the funniest bunch of bullshit. Oh gee lets see how we can flip this to look good/better.

lol People go to work so they can have healthcare. If they can have it and not work that a good thing.

What the fuck planet are you all from, you ridicule me and believe this bullshit a what a joke. God help this country.

Thanks for making my day this is the best laugh I had.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Thats got to be the funniest bunch of bullshit. Oh gee lets see how we can flip this to look good/better.

lol People go to work so they can have healthcare. If they can have it and not work that a good thing.

What the fuck planet are you all from, you ridicule me and believe this bullshit a what a joke. God help this country.

Thanks for making my day this is the best laugh I had.

Don't drool on yerself, peckerwood.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Thats got to be the funniest bunch of bullshit. Oh gee lets see how we can flip this to look good/better.

lol People go to work so they can have healthcare. If they can have it and not work that a good thing.

What the fuck planet are you all from, you ridicule me and believe this bullshit a what a joke. God help this country.

Thanks for making my day this is the best laugh I had.

It seem that you've just confirmed your inability or unwillingness to read. Directly from the CBO report:

“The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).”

Read this 3 times and report back as to whether you understood it.