Joe Biden For President

[Chicks]

Broke out a nice bottle of the bubbly while watching Joe and Kamala. So nice to have a President who speaks intelligently, in complete sentences. And he jogged onstage. “Sleepy Joe” my ass.

[RickeyM]

Joe Biden/Kamala Harris acceptance speech.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by mpholland

Last two candidates I had good feelings about were Bush one and the guy who defeated him.

I thought Bush 1 was decent. Clinton was flawed but better than decent overall. Mainly I'm a little aghast at the equivalence you drew between the two current guys.

Say, did you catch tonight's speech? I in general hate political speeches, but I liked this one. Oh, it tended toward ordinary towards the end, but the first half was close to perfect!

[bobabode]

Thank you Philly and Atlanta! An Oakland lady of color is the Veep!

[Chicks]

As usual, HCR puts it better than most. She's been a voice of sanity throughout this most destructive, divisive administration. Glad she'll be continuing her service to the country. A true patriot.

Heather Cox Richardson
8h ·
November 7, 2020 (Saturday)

Today at about 11:30 am, the media called the 2020 US presidential election. The winners are the Democratic candidate, former Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr., and his running mate-- the first woman elected to the vice presidency-- California Senator Kamala Harris.

It is a new day in America.

The last four years have been a struggle for the survival of American democracy. That struggle has been no less fundamental than the Civil War or World War II, for all that our people died not from foreign artillery but in hospitals and under the knees of police officers.

A majority of Americans spoke up this week to reclaim our fundamental values: equality before the law and equality of opportunity. This was a huge win. The Republicans did all they could to disfranchise Democratic voters, yet as of tonight, Biden and Harris are ahead by more than 5 million votes, with more votes still to be counted.

This victory, the defense of a government “of the people, by the people, for the people,” belongs to everyone who refused to let right-wing talking points go unchallenged any longer, who called their congressional representatives, who wrote letters to their local newspapers, who filled out a ballot, who ran for office. It belongs to everyone who stood up for America as a land of freedom and possibility, rather than a land of carnage.

It belongs to you.

If there is anything the last four years have taught us, it’s that we are our own saviors.

The struggle to protect our democracy is not over, not by a long shot. Already Trump’s supporters are insisting that the vote was rigged and the election stolen, and they are vowing to fight. Popular right-wing media hosts are egging them on. Meanwhile, Trump’s term does not end until January 20, 2021, and he will almost certainly use that time to take revenge on those he blames for his loss, that is: us. The next two months are going to be rocky.

While this election saved democracy for now, the forces that gave rise to Donald Trump’s presidency have not been vanquished. America is still under siege by oligarchs who are trying to take control of the country. They win supporters by spinning a false narrative that feeds fear and fury to drive ordinary Americans apart. And, as we now know, 70 million voters are open to their narrative, even if it means children torn from their parents, half of the country demonized as anti-American, a lawless administration, a deep recession, and more than 230,000 Americans dead.

For my part, I believe that the way to defang this cabal is by rejecting its lies and returning fact-based argument to the center of our national conversations. Going forward, I will continue to do my part to make that happen.

But whatever the future brings, there is no doubt that today is ours. After four years in which we have indulged the worst of our nation, we have voted to reclaim the best.

Thank you all for this day.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I thought Bush 1 was decent. Clinton was flawed but better than decent overall. Mainly I'm a little aghast at the equivalence you drew between the two current guys.

Say, did you catch tonight's speech? I in general hate political speeches, but I liked this one. Oh, it tended toward ordinary towards the end, but the first half was close to perfect!

The reasoning of my statement? As much as I disliked Trump, I don't see Biden as the President of hope and change. I'm not impressed with his resume and I think the Democrats could have put forth a better nominee. He has had to apologize for many of his past actions and being a true politician, I see those apologies as just words and don't believe his belief system has changed as much as the perception of him has. I see him as too old and weak to unify the country and stop the downward spiral. Just my opinion, but being better than Trump doesn't necessarily make him the man for the job. I guess I'll just wait and see what the next four years bring.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by mpholland

The reasoning of my statement? As much as I disliked Trump, I don't see Biden as the President of hope and change. I'm not impressed with his resume and I think the Democrats could have put forth a better nominee. He has had to apologize for many of his past actions and being a true politician, I see those apologies as just words and don't believe his belief system has changed as much as the perception of him has. I see him as too old and weak to unify the country and stop the downward spiral. Just my opinion, but being better than Trump doesn't necessarily make him the man for the job. I guess I'll just wait and see what the next four years bring.

I would say all of your criticisms could be perfectly true*, and it would still be a gross error to dismiss him as 'as dumb as Trump.' 'Maybe not up to the job' is a rather different criticism than that.


* that is, the ones that are criticisms and not just negative subjective opinion, such as "I see him as old and weak."

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by mpholland

The reasoning of my statement? As much as I disliked Trump, I don't see Biden as the President of hope and change. I'm not impressed with his resume and I think the Democrats could have put forth a better nominee. He has had to apologize for many of his past actions and being a true politician, I see those apologies as just words and don't believe his belief system has changed as much as the perception of him has. I see him as too old and weak to unify the country and stop the downward spiral. Just my opinion, but being better than Trump doesn't necessarily make him the man for the job. I guess I'll just wait and see what the next four years bring.

A realistic assessment.

[nailer]

I concur.

[HarmanKardon]

The democrats sent a man who had at least a tiny chance to force the orange monster to resign. The most basic character of this person had to be - a conservative/liberal democrat. There were not many like these available. It was so good that Bernie quit in favour of Joe.

mpholland it is obivious that Biden is not Premier Grand Cru Classé but he may do a decent job until he will be replaced by Kamala Harris. (Sooner or later.)