China says no to Frankencorn

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So it is. However the stated half-life of Roundup is 2-3 days,

And yet they go through all of the trouble of gene splicing to create a plant that can withstand Glyphosate being used as a pre-emergent which only works for a few days.
Seriously, do you believe that?
What is the big benefit of this type of farming?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

And yet they go through all of the trouble of gene splicing to create a plant that can withstand Glyphosate being used as a pre-emergent which only works for a few days.
Seriously, do you believe that?
What is the big benefit of this type of farming?

$$$$$$ for Monsanto what else?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

And yet they go through all of the trouble of gene splicing to create a plant that can withstand Glyphosate being used as a pre-emergent which only works for a few days.
Seriously, do you believe that?
What is the big benefit of this type of farming?

Beats me. What is the long term benefit of what most humans do? We're locusts with intelligence and technology devouring a perfectly good hospitable planet and leaving it decimated. But now it's anti-GMO and anti-vaxxers.

It's nothing, it's bullshit, it's not a problem. It's political ideology. It's like vote fraud. You know how the right-wingunt's are always screaming about vote fraud? It's the left-wingnut's version of vote fraud. We're dumping 150 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every day. Live long enough and their won't be enough decent farmland available to feed everybody. But everybody's having a panic attack about how much Roundup we dump in a cornfield that will be totally inert the next day.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Beats me. What is the long term benefit of what most humans do? We're locusts with intelligence and technology devouring a perfectly good hospitable planet and leaving it decimated. But now it's anti-GMO and anti-vaxxers.

It's nothing, it's bullshit, it's not a problem. It's political ideology. It's like vote fraud. You know how the right-wingunt's are always screaming about vote fraud? It's the left-wingnut's version of vote fraud. We're dumping 150 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every day. Live long enough and their won't be enough decent farmland available to feed everybody. But everybody's having a panic attack about how much Roundup we dump in a cornfield that will be totally inert the next day.

You have no clue. All you want to do is play politics with a scientific subject & blame everyone but yourself.
Lets start from the beginning. This has very little to nothing to do with GMO consumption, but it has everything to do with sustainability. Have you ever heard of sustainability?
The United States #1 export right now is top soil. Do you understand what that means from a scientific perspective?
BTW, Your numbers for the life of "Roundup" () is based on the salt being used as it was intended which is spot spraying weeds which has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

The answer to my question was reduced labor.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

You have no clue. All you want to do is play politics with a scientific subject & blame everyone but yourself.
Lets start from the beginning. This has very little to nothing to do with GMO consumption, but it has everything to do with sustainability. Have you ever heard of sustainability?
The United States #1 export right now is top soil. Do you understand what that means from a scientific perspective?
BTW, Your numbers for the life of "Roundup" () is based on the salt being used as it was intended which is spot spraying weeds which has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

The answer to my question was reduced labor.

We're talking about two different things. And the thing you've decided to talk about is a waste of otherwise good bandwidth. The GMO issue, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, is anti-science bullshit. You want to babble about other distractions and minutiae have at it. Not me. The issue is crap.

[CarlV]

I hadn't heard about this

Published On: Sun, Jan 18th, 2015
The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) on Thursday granted “nonregulated status for Monsanto Company’s (Monsanto) soybeans and cotton that are resistant to certain herbicides, including one known as dicamba.” The biotechnology giant still awaits the Environmental Protection Agency’s approval of the new herbicide, which contains both dicamba and glyphosate, designed to accompany the resistant strain.

But food and environmental safety advocates warn that the corresponding increase in herbicide use is dangerous to the ecosystem. As the Center for Food Safety points out, dicamba has been linked in epidemiology studies to “increased rates of cancer in farmers and birth defects in their male offspring.” First approved in 1967, dicamba seeps through the environment, causing damage to crops and flowering plants and polluting waterways.

Furthermore, herbicides give rise to resistant weeds, leading the development of new herbicides, accompanied by resistant genetically engineered crop strains. Critics charge that, rather that embark on an endless cycle of pumping chemicals and genetically modified crops into the environment, fostering a “pesticide treadmill,” regulators should take the long-term well-being of the ecosystem into account and change the status quo.
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More fun with Monsanto. Frankenweeds?

Thursday, 02 April 2015 00:00 By Mike Ludwig, Truthout


Combining Glyphosate With 2,4-D

Environmentalists also want the EPA to reconsider Enlist Duo, a controversial combination of glyphosate and the herbicide 2,4-D developed by Dow Chemical to combat the epidemic of so-called "superweeds" that have developed a resistance to glyphosate alone. The combination herbicide is already approved for use in six states, and on Thursday the EPA approved its use in nine more.

“This poorly conceived decision by EPA will likely put a significant number of farmers, farm workers and rural residents at greater risk of being diagnosed with cancer,” said Scott Faber, senior vice president for government affairs at the Environmental Working Group. “The agency simply ignored a game-changing new finding from the world leading cancer experts, and has instead decided the interests of biotech giants like Dow and Monsanto come first.”

Studies have also linked 2,4-D to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and a study released in late March by a team of scientists in New Zealand found that 2,4-D, glyphosate and another common herbicide called dicamba all caused E. coli and salmonella bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics.

The New Zealand team concluded that the "combination of high use of both herbicides and antibiotics in proximity to farm animals and important insects" could potentially be a factor in the increased use of antibiotics, adding that further research is needed because their study is one of the first of its kind.

Marie said Monsanto is taking a "closer look" at the antibiotic study.

Environmentalists say that Enlist Duo is simply a chemical solution for a problem caused by the overuse of chemicals in the first place. In the United States, the dependence on GMO crops treated with glyphosate has caused many weeds to become resistant to the poison, and now the industry is turning to older, more toxic chemicals to address the problem.


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Carl