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07-15-2013, 10:25 AM
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We know much more than that, Dave. We have at least one witness, whose testimony was not impeached, who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman raining down blows. This was described as "ground and pound" "MMA - style."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...fight-19520711
Whatever happened before this, IMHO, becomes less relevant. If the witness is correct (and I have to think the jury thought he was), this is a pretty savage form of attack. If someone had me pinned like this and beating on me, I'd be concerned about whether I might survive the night.
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Why didn't this witness see the shooting?
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07-15-2013, 10:26 AM
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This case is over, just another example of blind justice being the final outcome. It should not be surprising to any that the shooting of another young black male ended this way. Added to this the place of the trial being in the South. I had hopes for a different verdict, a reworking of the law on self defense and lethal force. But neither seem to be on the horizon.
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07-15-2013, 10:27 AM
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Why didn't this witness see the shooting? 
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If you actually watched the video from the link, you wouldn't be asking the question.
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07-15-2013, 10:33 AM
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If you actually watched the video from the link, you wouldn't be asking the question.
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07-15-2013, 10:41 AM
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We know much more than that, Dave. We have at least one witness, whose testimony was not impeached, who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman raining down blows.
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This is an incorrect statement,
Watch your own video.
If Martin was on top, which I suspect he was, it changes nothing. Do you think if Trayvon had lived he would not have testified that he was in fear and stood his ground? Zim killed that testimony.
The kid went out for candy while being black and paid the price.
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07-15-2013, 10:46 AM
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I guess so. The media never tires of reminding us that Zimmerman is a "white hispanic." 
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Are you one of those "types" who thinks that Hispanic and black are the same thing?
Anyone who has ever lived in an inner city knows damned well that this is not the case.
In fact, in my experience which spans decades, I have found Hispanics the most anti black demographic out there.
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07-15-2013, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by noonereal
Are you one of those "types" who thinks that Hispanic and black are the same thing?
Anyone who has ever lived in an inner city knows damned well that this is not the case.
In fact, in my experience which spans decades, I have found Hispanics the most anti black demographic out there.
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Same here in SoCal but then we don't have as many creepy assed crackers as Florida and several other states of the old Confederacy. Funny thing about hispanics is that they are usually pretty conservative except when they are being shit on.
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07-15-2013, 10:59 AM
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Same here in SoCal but then we don't have as many creepy assed crackers as Florida and several other states of the old Confederacy. Funny thing about hispanics is that they are usually pretty conservative except when they are being shit on.
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and I'll tell you something else I know a lot about, peoples color is less likely to indicate their prejudices than is their self identification.
I know plenty of black Hispanics (not white nor mixed) who are just as biased as a white Hispanic live Zim.
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07-15-2013, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
We know much more than that, Dave. We have at least one witness, whose testimony was not impeached, who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman raining down blows. This was described as "ground and pound" "MMA - style."
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And we have a reasonable idea of what caused this:
1. Zimmerman stalking a kid.
2. The kid being terrified.
Of course, the kid can't tell us that because a (typical) gun toting pussy murdered him.
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07-15-2013, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke
And we have a reasonable idea of what caused this:
1. Zimmerman stalking a kid.
2. The kid being terrified.
Of course, the kid can't tell us that because a (typical) gun toting pussy murdered him. 
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I don't know Zeke.
I am no neighborhood watch guy or anything but I do know that if I were Zim that night and for some reason Trayvon seemed out of place to me the probability is that I'd have acknowledged him with a wave and or smile.
I have done it many times just to point out to someone that I am there and watching.
It really is that simple.
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