Zimmerman trial starts today.

[barbara]

A better link

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

[Charles]

Originally Posted by barbara

A better link

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap563.htm

Believe it or not, I'm somewhat versed on the use of lethal force in Missouri.

Bottom line is, if you kill someone, you will wish you never did it...for a multiple of reasons.

As far as that goes, I won't even kill a bug anymore...unless it's the only way to make it leave me alone.

I exact no pleasure from it, only remorse. I've killed plenty of things in my day, I suppose I've grown weary of it.

But that doesn't mean I wouldn't kill a homo sapien 30 seconds from now, under the right circumstances. And I would look at it as cleaning out a sewer...a disgusting job, but necessary.

There is a time and place for everything. And I go to great lengths to assure that I am at neither that time and place.

Does this make any sense to you?

Chas

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Charles

Believe it or not, I'm somewhat versed on the use of lethal force in Missouri.

Bottom line is, if you kill someone, you will wish you never did it...for a multiple of reasons.

As far as that goes, I won't even kill a bug anymore...unless it's the only way to make it leave me alone.

I exact no pleasure from it, only remorse. I've killed plenty of things in my day, I suppose I've grown weary of it.

But that doesn't mean I wouldn't kill a homo sapien 30 seconds from now, under the right circumstances. And I would look at it as cleaning out a sewer...a disgusting job, but necessary.

There is a time and place for everything. And I go to great lengths to assure that I am at neither that time and place.

Does this make any sense to you?

Chas

I wasn't challenging your opinion, just posting information. I didn't know anything about Missouri law and found it an interesting read.
Believe it or not, I actually learn stuff when I come here

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the police don't do their job then one who tries is not wrong. Very simple.

And woefully inaccurate.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Charles

In Missouri, it's legal to shoot some sumbitch who's trying to kill you.

Not if he's trying to kill you because he had reason to believe you were going to shoot him (discounting factors like committing a felony at the time).

[Oerets]

One thought for all the "Stand Your Ground" advocates. Could not the same argument be made for the use of Nuclear or Chemical weapon by a country?




Barney

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Not if he's trying to kill you because he had reason to believe you were going to shoot him (discounting factors like committing a felony at the time).

That's true.

Once you exhibit a weapon you have given your opponent the same in fear of your life defense as you have.

Unless, as you point out, he is in the process of committing a felony.

And not all felonies are equal. For one, you can't just shoot a common thief, even if he is committing a felony.

Personally, my advice to firearm owners is to keep that hogleg holstered unless you have no alternative but to use it. And 99 times out of 100, you're gonna be sorry you did.

Even justifiable homicide is still homicide. And the average person isn't going to adjust well to being a participant to such an endeavor.

At least I wouldn't think so,

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Oerets

One thought for all the "Stand Your Ground" advocates. Could not the same argument be made for the use of Nuclear or Chemical weapon by a country?




Barney

But that's war.

If you cross all of your t's, and dot all of your i's, war is legal.

And it's also legal to come and grab you by the scruff of the neck and make you go fight it. And seize your property, and eliminate your rights if it's necessary for the effort.

Hell, we wouldn't want the BAD guys to win, would we?

It never ceases to amaze me as to just how stupid homo sapiens are for allowing such a system to exist.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

I'd shoot some sumbitch who was trying to kill me.

I would figure, that at that point, that we were reduced to "diplomacy by other means".

Takes two to tango,

Chas

Yes, Chas. You would defend yourself if someone attacked you for no apparent reason and tried to harm or kill you. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

But, would you chase after someone who was apparently trying to get away from you, leave your vehicle, get in his face, engage him in fisticuffs....prior to shooting him?

What did Martin see when he approached Zimmerman in his truck? Did Zimmerman show him his weapon? Is that why he ran? Of, course we don't know and probably never will as the only witness other than Zimmerman himself is dead.

I'm thinking it was dark, raining and Martin was headed back to his Uncles place with a bag of Skittles and a bottle of tea. When he noticed some Dude in a pick up following and staring at him. He approached the vehicle, to ask this guy what his problem was, saw something that spooked him and he ran. Then the guy in the truck chased him down, engaged him in an altercation and shot him.

Why did he run?

If I was the prosecutor, I'd be grilling Zimmerman on that point.

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it and if I was on the jury........

Zimmerman would hang.

Dave

[Oerets]

The point I was going after was the one, we attempt to control the spread of some types of weapons for countries. Why is this?

If another country were to "stand their ground" and attack another for a perceived threat preemptively. So should not any country be able to hae any weapon available to protect themselves?

But no we have figured out not all countries are responsible or reasonable. So how are citizens any different with guns?

Barney