The House just voted

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

If this does pass, I wonder how many people are going to quit med school in favor of becoming stockbrokers.

Chas

Chas?????

What's with this post?

This is not like you?

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Amen brother. My parents were both teachers and my wife works at a school. I get so sick of hearing all these "reports" of teachers making 65k. Maybe in Manhattan, but not in Denver. I make crap at a TV station and make damn near three times that. It's f'd up.

Cops and teachers. Should start at 100k. We'd live in a better country. But we might have to pay taxes.

Out here cops and teachers are indeed very, very well paid with palatial benefits. What does the average teacher/cop make out there?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Yup! Corporations are "persons" and money is "speech". Assholes!

John

I have yet to figure how the government of Dubai qualifies as a 'citizen person' but K-Street still takes their money for lobbying for them.

[Independent]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

I watched the whole deal on CSPAN last night, and it seems to me, the republicans goofed. Had they voted down the abortion amendment, I don't think the big bill would have passed.

Excellent point, and I don't know why anyone else hasn't really run with this theory?

My wife and I talked about this very same possible "screw-up" by the republicans right after the vote (we were up watching it too). I do believe, with the abortion addendum added to the bill, the blue dog dems in the senate just lost much of their reason for voting against it. That is, unless the insurance companies pad their pockets a lot more.





Indy

[d-ray657]

Hey Independent, I started another thread on trying to figure out the meaning of your signature. Would you be willing to elaborate on it?

Regards,

D-Ray

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

And Medicare *is* more efficient than private insurance. Again, there is a lot of information on this. Medicare is a great example of how well the Government actually does this kind of thing. Expanding it is a great way to cover more people with high quality, lower cost medical care.

Take care,

Ed

It's very easy to be a cheaply run system when secondary costs like buildings etc are off the books and when you want to save money you just cut payments for services rendered!!

Originally Posted by Boreas

Good grief! That attitude is precisely what's wrong with our current batch of Republicans. They oppose absolutely everything the Dems put forward, purely on principle. Then they whine about a lack of bipartisanship.

John

You mean, Republicans don't agree with Democrats? The horror!

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

I hate what has happened to Public Education in the last 20 years. If we had any pride in America we'd demand better for our kids. But no one wants to pay any taxes and the "why should I pay" mentality has prevailed since Satan, I mean Reagan held office.

You think schools are substantially different now then 20 years ago? And damn that Reagan, messing up my local school. Is there anything he can't do?

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

It is ridiculous. I'm not a fan of abortion. But it is legal and it is the kind of thing you'd think you might need a doctor for. Silly to pretend that they're somehow being pro-life with goofy crap like this.

Yawn, snore, yawn.........Huh, uh, what was that?

Abortion?

There are people who still believe Republicans are really Pro-life?
WTF? How many times do you have to be led into the voting with
pictures of mutilated fetuses, only to have them not-quite-be-able
to do anything about it, over and over again before you see it as
what it really is?-----A campaign tool.

Sure, there may be few individuals who really care and make an honest attempt. But, I really don't think the Party will ever let a serious piece of legislation pass. It's a "Hot Button" that has pulled them out of too many close elections.

Love,
Dave


P.s. I am and have always been Pro-Life.

[Grumpy]

40K is living large to some of us. We had 6 kids in the with an income of less then 20K and not taking a dime from the gooberment.

Yes I feel that the income of teachers should be raised but 100K with all their bennies is a bit on the extreme side.

For the record my towns public schools were some of the best in our state. Then we opened the doors to school of choice. State pays the school for every kid they take in from outside the district. In a matter of years we went from average class sizes of 20-22 to 30 plus. Scores go down, one on one time goes out the window and some of these little imported bastards tried burning down the school. All to get a few more bucks from the state. Pathetic...

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

There are people who still believe Republicans are really Pro-life?

Are you kidding?! Everyone voted for them to overturn Row v. Wade and make it illegal to be gay. So when they had the White House and both houses of Congress they did it! What's that? Oh. They didn't? Sooooo. Why did eveyone vote for them again? Ah yes. We *did* kill a lot of people in other countries and mess up the economy.

Somehow this has to be Reagan's fault.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Yes I feel that the income of teachers should be raised but 100K with all their bennies is a bit on the extreme side.

Probably. What I'd like to see is teachers making enough that good people were trying really hard to get those jobs. I'd like to see a lot of people with Education degrees not being able to find work because it's such a competitive field. We complain about bad teachers, but the truth is, there are a lot of schools in America that can't hire teachers at all.

I employ a department of designers. You know how many people go to Art School and end up selling shoes at the mall? Only the good ones get jobs.