The 2nd Amendment?? - Page 7

JJIII · #61 10-29-2009, 05:48 AM

"I suggest you look to your own life experience then. When did a gun keep you safe?

And was it imagined?"

About ten years ago, what we used to call a "diddy-bopper" saw fit to try and hold up my wife and I with a gun. When I moved toward what he thought was my wallet he saw instead a .38 Spec. That was all he needed to decide to "un-ass the area". I never had to remove the little Tarus from the holster. That was not my imagination I assure you.

d-ray657 · #62 10-29-2009, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII

"I suggest you look to your own life experience then. When did a gun keep you safe?

And was it imagined?"

About ten years ago, what we used to call a "diddy-bopper" saw fit to try and hold up my wife and I with a gun. When I moved toward what he thought was my wallet he saw instead a .38 Spec. That was all he needed to decide to "un-ass the area". I never had to remove the little Tarus from the holster. That was not my imagination I assure you.

Trying to cover all of the angles here. How do you suppose the situation would have turned out if he had not been a chicken s**t. I'll suggest a few scenarios, and you might likely have another one or more, because it is not within my realm of experience.

1) As you described, he relied on the intimidation of the gun to achieve his purpose, and when he saw personal risk, he made a different business decision.
2) He was truly evil, and willing to take any steps to achieve his purpose. He shot you first, rendering you unable to get your gun, and decided to leave no witnesses.
3) He is not a good shot, you are able to unholster your gun, and you trade shots.
4) He does not have his weapon drawn, and you are quicker, disabling or killing him.
5) When he ran, you decided to bring him to justice and shot him.
6) ?????

Again, you more than likely have more training, etc., but could a worse outcome have occurred under those circumstances? Not taking sides here - looking for perspective.

Regards,

D-Ray

JJIII · #63 10-29-2009, 07:03 AM

I can't speculate on what may have happened. It could have been any number of things. I can only tell you what did happen. I do believe that anyone that lives that life style is pretty much a chicken shit anyway or they would do like the rest of us and earn an honest living the hard way.

Charles · #64 10-29-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657

Trying to cover all of the angles here. How do you suppose the situation would have turned out if he had not been a chicken s**t. I'll suggest a few scenarios, and you might likely have another one or more, because it is not within my realm of experience.

1) As you described, he relied on the intimidation of the gun to achieve his purpose, and when he saw personal risk, he made a different business decision.
2) He was truly evil, and willing to take any steps to achieve his purpose. He shot you first, rendering you unable to get your gun, and decided to leave no witnesses.
3) He is not a good shot, you are able to unholster your gun, and you trade shots.
4) He does not have his weapon drawn, and you are quicker, disabling or killing him.
5) When he ran, you decided to bring him to justice and shot him.
6) ?????

Again, you more than likely have more training, etc., but could a worse outcome have occurred under those circumstances? Not taking sides here - looking for perspective.

Regards,

D-Ray

No doubt, a lot of things can go wrong.

Chas

hillbilly · #65 10-29-2009, 07:11 AM

Cops shoot un-armed people. Some take a bullet from a cop while they have no weapon whatsoever at all .. and are 60+ yards away running from the cop on foot. Know this one for a fact. Didn't someone say that cops have the up-most great training?

d-ray657 · #66 10-29-2009, 07:45 AM

I'm trying to be open-minded here but I'm not getting any help. An incident was cited as showing the value of being armed. If that's not the purpose for citing it, fine, it's just an interesting story. But if it is cited as an example of the positive value of being armed, I think we aren't really learing anything if we don't consider the possibilities.

One of the posts here indicated that firearms are needed because there are evil people in the world. I certainly agree that there are evil people in this world. My question is whether the result would have been different if the perp was really evil, with no regard for human life. Would having a weapon under those circumstances have assured the best outcome? Isn't it also possible that if the perp had no regard for life, he would have seen the weapon as a threat and eliminated the threat instead of running?

Under the circumstances given, the possession of a gun prevented a property loss. Had the makeup of the perp been different, would it have prevented or caused a loss of life? If that's not a legitimate question, tell me why not.

Regards,

D-Ray

hillbilly · #67 10-29-2009, 08:17 AM

May not be the case, but maybe when the perp seen the .38, the first thing that ran through his mind was that the guy could of been a cop. They know if they shoot a cop, it opens a different can of worms because the law will search to the end of hell to find the man who shot an officer. Even in the movies when the bad guys shoot people they don't think anything of it, but sometimes when one of the bad guys find a badge on the dead body one will say ,, '' damn man .. you killed a cop .. lets roll ''.

Or, maybe the perps gun was empty, and he figured that .38 was not just a show piece. < grin >

piece-itpete · #68 10-29-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII

I can't speculate on what may have happened. It could have been any number of things. I can only tell you what did happen. I do believe that anyone that lives that life style is pretty much a chicken shit anyway or they would do like the rest of us and earn an honest living the hard way.

Amen to that, most crooks are cowards.

Pete

noonereal · #69 10-29-2009, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII

"I suggest you look to your own life experience then. When did a gun keep you safe?

And was it imagined?"

About ten years ago, what we used to call a "diddy-bopper" saw fit to try and hold up my wife and I with a gun. When I moved toward what he thought was my wallet he saw instead a .38 Spec. That was all he needed to decide to "un-ass the area". I never had to remove the little Tarus from the holster. That was not my imagination I assure you.

in all the years i have asked this question on message boards you are the first to ever have used one in self defense

I am a little confused as to how if someone was holding a gun on you you had time to reach for a gun yourself? Also what is a diddy-bopper mean.
I know I had a knife pulled on me once in a robbery attempt and I pretty much just told the kid to put it away. Similar thing?

JJIII · #70 10-29-2009, 12:01 PM

" am a little confused as to how if someone was holding a gun on you you had time to reach for a gun yourself? Also what is a diddy-bopper mean"

Re-read the post. He thought I reaching for my wallet. When I pushed my coat back the .38 (in a paddle holster on my hip) was exposed.

"Diddy Bopper, Gangbanger, Hood, Thug, Punk"....take your choice of words.