Speaker wants to rip PPACA out by the roots

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

You know I did not mean to double post...REALLY!

Yaah sure, you betcha!

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I answer the door in my underwear, clutching a beer. Once, I told them; "Come on in and join the party, boys. I've got the sheep all greased up and ready to go."

They don't hang around long.

Dave

I had a friend take the next step and just answered the door naked. They did not come back.

While it's easy to bash the Mormons I'm usually polite and say i'm not interested but if they need to cool down for a moment or need a drink to come in.

I seriously doubt you'll find another religion in this time that actually goes to the lengths the Mormons do to help it's members in need out.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Three guesses what, or rather who, all that GOP money is buying. It is all coming from corporations and when was the last time you saw a corporation being run like a democracy. I rather think it is not only dems who should be worried, but every thinking American voter.

I don't know. The Dems might have a lot of worrying to do.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...kes-it-in.html

Oh, and the article has a new name for you guys to kick around and add to your hate list: Sheldon Adelson.

[whell]

Originally Posted by beej

Try as I might I can't find anywhere in any of my few posts thus far where I commented one way or other on the size of government now. However, since you brought it up, I guess it all depends on where you have your priorities. If you consider the number one problem facing the U.S. today (above and beyond anything else) to be the size of government then let's get out the ax. If, on the other hand, you consider the economy the number one problem facing the country today then cutting government doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. It would reduce spending in an evironment where more spending, not less, is needed. It would place more people out of work. (Most of the women that Romney accuses Obama of putting out of work are civil service employees, state and local, who have lost their jobs due to budgetary reductions.)

This is not to suggest that the national debt isn't a major issue; it surely is. But is it one that must be tackled at the expense of everything else? In my judgment, no.

Ah, so you're one who believes that the only way out of a recession / depression is via gov't spending? We spend almost $1 trillion over the last 3 years on various stimulus packages and programs. Yet your comments suggest we still have an economy that's in some trouble. Hmmmm....

[icenine]

Nice post Beej...the stimulus was like giving sugar to a patient unconscious from insulin shock. After you save the patient you can work on chronic problems...but saving the patient first is paramount of course. We will all be in the choir eternal before we can convince Whell of a negative...been there done that

[bobabode]

Casino economics Whell?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Oh, and the article has a new name for you guys to kick around and add to your hate list: Sheldon Adelson.

The casino magnate who single-handedly financed the newt's primary campaign (maybe a few of Calista's shopping trips too) and who ponied up 100 mill for Rmoney? Not new at all. Where ya been, Whell?

John

[beej]

Originally Posted by whell

Ah, so you're one who believes that the only way out of a recession / depression is via gov't spending? We spend almost $1 trillion over the last 3 years on various stimulus packages and programs. Yet your comments suggest we still have an economy that's in some trouble. Hmmmm....

Learning the lay of the land in this forum. Is it me or is one of your approaches to discourse a tendency to attribute to others things that they've never said? If so, you're certainly not alone in that regard but I digress. I never said that the ONLY way out of the recesion is through government spending. What I did say was that a further reduction in government spending with the accompanying job losses and reduction in economic activity would be counterproductive and not helpful to a recovery. Government spending isn't the only answer but it is part of the solution.

With respect to your commentary on the stimulus package, most economists have indicated that this has been a recession seemingly like no other, is certainly not isolated within the U.S. and has been exacerbated by other global issues, those pesky Greeks for example. Ain't no freeze-dried solutions to this one.

And finally, 8 years of pouring our country's resources into a two front war coupled with some serious structural issues domestically would not seem to lend itself to something close to a rapid recovery.

<<Respectfully standing by for further misinterpretations and misrepresentation.>>

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

I seriously doubt you'll find another religion in this time that actually goes to the lengths the Mormons do to help it's members in need out.

Damn So(c)ialists.

[whell]

Originally Posted by beej

Learning the lay of the land in this forum. Is it me or is one of your approaches to discourse a tendency to attribute to others things that they've never said? If so, you're certainly not alone in that regard but I digress.

It was a question, not a statement. I did go to great lengths to even add a question mark at the end of the sentence.

Originally Posted by beej

I never said that the ONLY way out of the recesion is through government spending. What I did say was that a further reduction in government spending with the accompanying job losses and reduction in economic activity would be counterproductive and not helpful to a recovery. Government spending isn't the only answer but it is part of the solution.

But Nancy Pelosi tells us that unemployment benefit payments "creates jobs faster than most any other initiative"! I believe that government spending could be reduced - with the money being returned to the economy and spent productively - without creating government unemployment.

Originally Posted by beej

With respect to your commentary on the stimulus package, most economists have indicated that this has been a recession seemingly like no other, is certainly not isolated within the U.S. and has been exacerbated by other global issues, those pesky Greeks for example. Ain't no freeze-dried solutions to this one.

And finally, 8 years of pouring our country's resources into a two front war coupled with some serious structural issues domestically would not seem to lend itself to something close to a rapid recovery.

<<Respectfully standing by for further misinterpretations and misrepresentation.>>

Maybe no freeze - dried solutions. But at least we now know what solutions don't work, and hopefully we don't make the mistake of rolling them out again.