Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[finnbow]

I guess before any of us gets too incensed about this, we could read exactly what's being proposed:

http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journa...5622&locid=177

Then again, we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good argument, would we?

[piece-itpete]

Rob, maybe in the private sector, but here the government rehires them back into their existing job, not as a consultant.

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Rob, maybe in the private sector, but here the government rehires them back into their existing job, not as a consultant.

Pete

Somehow I doubt it. Can you picture the administrative confusion; John Doe as a retiree with pension and healthcare, same john Doe as employee with salary and healthcare, someone is BSing you.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I guess before any of us gets too incensed about this, we could read exactly what's being proposed:

http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journa...5622&locid=177

Then again, we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good argument, would we?

We certainly wouldn't want that, would we?

The proposals outlined in the article don't appear to be overtly over the top to me.

Chas

[piece-itpete]

Oh no Rob. I'll find it for you

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by whell

Yup it is private business and they can spend money how they choose...and then look what happened to them. This practice was particularly insidious at the "old" GM. The will to spend money that you don't have doesn't limit itself to the halls of gov't is my point. GM went broke doing it. Next up? WI, MI, OH, NY, CA.....

Well, I know plenty of people in my industry who retire and become consultants. I don't know that it's a problem. I've thought about playing that card when the time comes. Pay me half what you do now and I'll help you grow a younger, cheaper replacement and keep things on the rails in the mean time. I think it can be a win/win.

[piece-itpete]

Here's just Cleveland. It's happening at the State level too.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...ouble-dip.html

Pete

[merrylander]

Well that's Ohio, what can I say.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I guess before any of us gets too incensed about this, we could read exactly what's being proposed:

http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/journa...5622&locid=177

Then again, we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of a good argument, would we?

The changes in pension and medical coverage contributions might be a reasonable measure to propose to the employees. However, that is not what the dispute is about. It is about the following proposal:

Collective bargaining – The bill would make various changes to limit collective bargaining for most public employees to wages. Total wage increases could not exceed a cap based on the consumer price index (CPI) unless approved by referendum. Contracts would be limited to one year and wages would be frozen until the new contract is settled. Collective bargaining units are required to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union. Employers would be prohibited from collecting union dues and members of collective bargaining units would not be required to pay dues. These changes take effect upon the expiration of existing contracts. Local law enforcement and fire employees, and state troopers and inspectors would be exempt from these changes.

That is essentially saying you can form a committee once a year to come beg with the state for an increase in your wages. It is one step away from outlawing public employee unions. The proposed benefit concessions are not draconian - the changes in the bargaining law are.

Regards,

D-Ray

[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Well, I know plenty of people in my industry who retire and become consultants. I don't know that it's a problem. I've thought about playing that card when the time comes. Pay me half what you do now and I'll help you grow a younger, cheaper replacement and keep things on the rails in the mean time. I think it can be a win/win.

The example I cited was specific to the auto industry. The guys would retire, take their pension, take the consulting gig at about 80% of their pay, and (back in those days anyway) got retiree health care bought and paid for.

Done right, yet, it can be a good way of leveraging the experience of retired workers. Done like they used to do it in the autos, and it was just one more practice of many that paved the way to bankruptcy.