18 and Dead.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I'll keep saying it- the trouble, for the most part, is coming from outside the community. Ferguson didn't turn from a 70/30 black/white community into a war zone overnight due to the actions of those who live there. These are working class people, and their community is being over run with outside forces looking to take advantage of the chaos.
Is it a problem that the police force us nearly all white and many don't live locally? Yes, absolutely. Maybe the new Captain they brought in could help explain and resolve why more men of his character do not opt to stay and police in their own communities.
Is it still possible the cop was a racist murderer? Sure, it's possible. But holding on to that hope is something you might want to look into before you start judging others.

As are all cases like this. Outside influence is usually what makes these high profile cases to begin with. People also need to understand that the more high profile a case becomes, the slower the answers will come. Extreme caution is taken by the state in these cases, and extreme caution takes time.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Very insightful point. My main argument here is with the way 'law and order' people refuse to recognize that there is ever any reason to question the fairness, honesty, and good intent of law enforcement.

This particular case has been, for me, mainly an occasion for that discussion. For me, there have been red flags here that called for close scrutiny, not quick declarations of "good shoot."

The irony here is that many critics of the administration in Washington DC express their frustrations almost identically.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by mpholland

There are very valid reasons for not releasing police reports other than cover-ups.

I think they are a matter of public record. I do not think they are classified.
Because of the magnitude of this case they should be released.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by mpholland

There are very valid reasons for not releasing police reports other than cover-ups.

Indeed.

In other news, the liquor store in the video got looted last night. The upside is that a number of concerned citizens put a stop to it before it got too out of hand.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

The irony here is that many critics of the administration in Washington DC express their frustrations almost identically.

But in this case there is a dead person in the street.

I don't know of any such 'bleeding corpse' in the case of the political arguments to which you refer. So I think the comparison fails.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by icenine

I think they are a matter of public record. I do not think they are classified.
Because of the magnitude of this case they should be released.

Just because something becomes public record doesn't mean it is available to the public immediately. My kids death is public record, but none of the facts of the case have been made public yet in the interests of maintaining the integrity of the investigation.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

I think they are a matter of public record. I do not think they are classified.
Because of the magnitude of this case they should be released.

They will be, in time. What is the harm in waiting for the forensics to be completed?

[icenine]

http://www.lapdonline.org/i_want_to_...sic_view/36329

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

I'll keep saying it- the trouble, for the most part, is coming from outside the community. Ferguson didn't turn from a 70/30 black/white community into a war zone overnight due to the actions of those who live there. These are working class people, and their community is being over run with outside forces looking to take advantage of the chaos.
Is it a problem that the police force us nearly all white and many don't live locally? Yes, absolutely. Maybe the new Captain they brought in could help explain and resolve why more men of his character do not opt to stay and police in their own communities.
Is it still possible the cop was a racist murderer? Sure, it's possible. But holding on to that hope is something you might want to look into before you start judging others.

This "new captain" is a Missouri Highway Patrol officer i.e. state police brought in temporarily by Gov. Jay Nixon. Are you championing racial quotas in the hiring of government employees?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Is there now an event description that includes discovering cigars prior to the shooting? hadn't heard that claim before.

Is there a communicatios log that indicates Wison was informed specifically of cigars?

Just like to know where claims of fact come from....

On edit: excuse if this is coverred in your link, which I will look at now.
Second eidt: didn't actually find a link. I'm not 'demanding' a link in any case, but if you can tell me more it will be appreciated

I can't do linking in a post with this app but the pertinent article is at St Louis Post Dispach online titled "Robbery report could have made Ferguson officer more wary".

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