So no matter what happens in Massachusetts tomorrow..

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

When freedom is fully realized in Iraq the citizens of that country and the entire world will be a better place and that makes sacrifice not only worth it but also a necessity.

When freedom is fully realized in Iraq? Are you serious? Hell, even Bush knew that was just a line.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Clinton, the slimy bastard was smarter then I gave credit. He knew he should have finished what bush's father should have. Instead he let it all simmer over and become the next guys problem.

This is where these discussions get pointless. On the previous page you asked a question:

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Ok, so say a dem was in office then. Do you really think it would be much different ?

I tried to answer as best I could. Given that Gore worked with Clinton for a good while it seemed a logical place to look for a reasonably probably answer. So I answered your question. Never does anyone ever post "that's a good point, you're probably right". Just change the subject.

So, again, the answer to your question is almost certainly "yes". I think things would very probably be different.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

And yet Bush was President, live in the past or step into the here and now with sometihng more than a guess of what may have happened and tired old bitching about an Election almost a decade ago.

Another perfect example. You were the one who was trying to tell me what happened in 2000.

Originally Posted by Writewing

The view is nice from the cheapseats and hindsight is 20/20, but the office of President isnt anyones to "give" it is earned by the Electoral College.

When I correct you (and I can only assume you have no issue with the information I provided since you don't address it) you quip some crap about living in the past. Well why did you bring it up then?

It's pointless to even take the time to post direct responses.

[HatchetJack]

Freedom for us comes at a high price. Lots of good men went down so we can do
what we do. We should be more thankful to our leaders and our fallen
brothers for allowing us to live without oppresion. We must continue to fight
the spread of camelism. I Wonder what our fallen soldiers would say to anti
war types that have no clue why their lives are as good as they are. It would
not be a pretty sight.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

There will never, ever, be freedom in that part of the world.

One they don't want it.

Two their religion, for the most part forbids it.

Three its be going on for thousands of years and will continue long after we are gone.

So we shouldnt try to give others what we enjoy? So should we try in Haiti?, after all its a mess and likely to remain one and has been for years. Sure they are two very different things but its the idea of wondering do we just sit on our hands or try to do something about it?
I dont agree those in Iraq dont want it, many do and others dont know what it truely is because of the powers that have been in place.
I dont agree also that the religion does not allow it, the perverted interpretation of it does not allow it and we may be able to change that in time. It likely though because if its religion wont ever be a duplicate of our country but it can sure as hell be better than it is now.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The problem is simply letting the right get all the press with their buzzwords, you know "death Panels" "Socialism", "Big Government" "Government Takeover" all certified bull manure but not counterd by the left with the truth.

Frankly Brown is enough of a yahoo that should he win he will most likely do more to piss off the independents than he will to win them over to the do nothing party.

Impossible.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Another perfect example. You were the one who was trying to tell me what happened in 2000.



When I correct you (and I can only assume you have no issue with the information I provided since you don't address it) you quip some crap about living in the past. Well why did you bring it up then?

It's pointless to even take the time to post direct responses.

Its obvious you operate under the assumption this sites should revolve around you but there are others here I participate with so remember that in the future, as far as "bringing it up" I started this thread and once again it strays off course and if you stuck to the original topic we wouldnt be waisting time on this.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Freedom for us comes at a high price. Lots of good men went down so we can do
what we do. We should be more thankful to our leaders and our fallen
brothers for allowing us to live without oppresion. We must continue to fight
the spread of camelism. I Wonder what our fallen soldiers would say to anti
war types that have no clue why their lives are as good as they are. It would
not be a pretty sight.

THANK YOU

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

So we shouldnt try to give others what we enjoy? So should we try in Haiti?

Give others what we enjoy- you mean spread the wealth around?

Two points- you can't really compare the two. Haiti is a disaster not of their own design. Of course we should try to save the dying after a natural disaster. That has nothing to do with the situation in the Middle-East where factions have been killing each other intentionally for all of recorded history.

Second, this is an ironic statement from someone on the right. I can't recall your position specifically, but this sounds a lot like the kind of thing Democrats say when pushing projects like Health Care. Shoot, what about welfare? Sure, some will abuse it and some may be demotivated to try harder. I don't really buy that, but for the sake of arguement. But some will take advantage of the program, get their lives together and prosper. You can say it's hopeless, but does that mean we shouldn't try to give others what we enjoy?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Writewing

Its obvious you operate under the assumption this sites should revolve around you but there are others here I participate with so remember that in the future, as far as "bringing it up" I started this thread and once again it strays off course and if you stuck to the original topic we wouldnt be waisting time on this.

For Christ sake. Whatever. Why bother to answer?