What the 1% don't want you to know

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Spoken like a true lefty.

Actually, I'm sure you missed it, but the money line in the post is here:

Frankly, if given a choice, I'd vastly prefer a system that allows greater individual economic freedom and mobility, and the opportunity to succeed - or fail - based on what I contribute.

On the contrary, you can look to a nice government - protected business like the NFL to see what happens when market forces are removed from the equation. I suspect Payton Manning would throw a football around a field for far less than $15 - $20 million a year, but he plays in a system that is allowed to be a monopoly protected by the gov't. Certainly, players years ago like Bart Starr and Johnny Unitas did it for far less, even when adjusted for inflation. But with the advent additional inflows of capital and no competition, the game (to cable and network TV) and the players sell themselves for astronomical amounts.

History shows where that leads; In the aggregate more people lose than win and the wealth concentrates at the top. Then, we are forced to break out the pitchforks...........once again.

So, screw you and your pie-eyed ideology.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Dickens captured the attitude perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc

That's it.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

We put them into the US Senate and the US House of Representatives where we can ostensibly keep an eye on them.

Seriously, hasn't happened in almost 250 years. We also do tend to prosecute the worst offenders...

....or elect them.

No, we put them in the boardrooms and corner offices, so you know where to go when you get the urge to run at someones heels with your nose in their cracks. The only reason the politicians get corrupted is because your masters keep bribing them.

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

So, screw you and your pie-eyed ideology.

Dave

Of course your ideology conjures blood thirsty all stars like Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Tito, etc. I'll take my pie-eyed ideology over the ideology that gives us these bastards, thank you very much.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Conservatives are like the Politenessman of governance.

The people;

"This sucks. They're creating jobs but we can't live off of this shit!"

Conservative Politnessman;

"Oh, now, we can't make any demands of business, that would be RUDE! No, instead we ask nicely. Then, when they tell us to pack sand and continue hoarding all the money for themselves, we must suffer quietly. Because strikes and protest are so impolite. You should never embarrass your host."



Dave

Dave do you know how you sound all the time. Constantly thinking one mans possessions need to be given to others. I mean really I don't think you were brought up that way. It's kind of sick thinking and not good for your health envying other for what they have. Now I know your a hard worker and it seems like we get no where. But the reality is what we earn is valued less and less witch is no doing of the employer.

Originally Posted by whell

Spoken like a true lefty.

Actually, I'm sure you missed it, but the money line in the post is here:

Frankly, if given a choice, I'd vastly prefer a system that allows greater individual economic freedom and mobility, and the opportunity to succeed - or fail - based on what I contribute.

On the contrary, you can look to a nice government - protected business like the NFL to see what happens when market forces are removed from the equation. I suspect Payton Manning would throw a football around a field for far less than $15 - $20 million a year, but he plays in a system that is allowed to be a monopoly protected by the gov't. Certainly, players years ago like Bart Starr and Johnny Unitas did it for far less, even when adjusted for inflation. But with the advent additional inflows of capital and no competition, the game (to cable and network TV) and the players sell themselves for astronomical amounts.

That operative word "Contribute" is what some just don't get. Breathing and showing up at work is not working as evident by some here posting all day while at work.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Of course your ideology conjures blood thirsty all stars like Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Tito, etc. I'll take my pie-eyed ideology over the ideology that gives us these bastards, thank you very much.

And your brought Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Allende, Pinochet ...

What a stupid retort, even by your standards.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And your brought Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Allende, Pinochet ...

What a stupid retort, even by your standards.

Equating Nazi Germany and dictatorships with a constitutionally limited republic? Talk about stupid, your post absolutely takes the cake. I think in that one post you've lowered the discourse on this forum to an entirely new subterranean level. Congratulations.

[bobabode]

You really should stop diggin' Mike. You were the first one to bring it up. Nice try, keep pretending.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Equating Nazi Germany and dictatorships with a constitutionally limited republic? Talk about stupid, your post absolutely takes the cake. I think in that one post you've lowered the discourse on this forum to an entirely new subterranean level. Congratulations.

You picked the extremes of one ideology and I picked the extremes of the other. You seem to lumping places like Germany, Holland or Sweden with the USSR just as you accuse me of lumping us with Nazi Germany.

It is seemingly necessary to have a governing philosophy somewhat to the left of where we are now to provide a nation with the greatest level of happiness and fulfillment among its citizens. For example, pretty much all the countries of northern Europe score higher in various measures of societal progress than we do and there certainly isn't a single one with policies to the right of ours.

I can't think of a First World nation on earth to the right of us and certainly none of the countries that outperform us do so by virtue of a conservative political philosophy (by our measure).

http://www.socialprogressimperative....dim1,dim2,dim3

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

You picked the extremes of one ideology and I picked the extremes of the other. You seem to lumping places like Germany, Holland or Sweden with the USSR just as you accuse me of lumping us with Nazi Germany.

It is seemingly necessary to have a governing philosophy somewhat to the left of where we are now to provide a nation with the greatest level of happiness and fulfillment among its citizens. For example, pretty much all the countries of northern Europe score higher in various measures of societal progress than we do and there certainly isn't a single one with policies to the right of ours.

I can't think of a First World nation on earth to the right of us and certainly none of the countries that outperform us do so by virtue of a conservative political philosophy (by our measure).

http://www.socialprogressimperative....dim1,dim2,dim3

So, Nazi Germany was an extreme form of what: capitalism? Seriously? Tell you what. If you can find me a wild - eyed Laissez-faire capitalist of note who advocates nationalization of industries as the Nazis did, you can get back to me. Until then, enjoy your time in the sub-strata.