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Old 07-12-2012, 08:45 PM
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Impossible. The GOP Presidential candidate would never, ever race bait. Never. Oh, except for Nixon's "southern stategy," Willie Horton, Reverend Wright, Gingrich's "Food Stamp President," Reagan's "welfare mom's," .........
The alleged "southern strategy" is an issue almost a 1/2 century old. Only Dems pull stuff out of their play book that is that old.

Was Gore race baiting when he first mentioned Willie Horton when running against Dukakis for the nomination?

One need only listen to the Rev to understand what he's all about.

Gingrich was correct. Its was the left that choose to take an accurate statement about the increase in food stamp recipients under Obama and make it racist.

I believe the Reagan used the term "welfare queen", not "welfare mom". Please try to be more accurate with your quotes!
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:56 PM
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I know many of my comrades in the party will disagree but I don't think Romney was dissing the NAACP. I do think he played them though. Getting booed by the NAACP is simply red meat to the racist elements in the Republican base.

Going on Fox and saying that he got the reaction he expected is both revealing and stupid. It revealed him for the cynical race-baiter that he is. It's stupid because he could have driven the point home with his base by saying that the reaction came as a surprise. He could have said that his message and his goals are good for the poor and disadvantaged and was shocked to learn that his audience couldn't grasp that.

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Racism is 96% of blacks currently polling that they'd vote for Obama over Romney. Ignoring that and accusing anything the GOP or Romney is doing of being racist (or being race baiting) is either high hypocrisy or dismal stupidity. Take your pick (however being a self-defined liberal these days pretty much conveys a little from column A and a little from column B anyways).
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:06 PM
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The alleged "southern strategy" is an issue almost a 1/2 century old. Only Dems pull stuff out of their play book that is that old.
It's your playbook, not ours and its age just shows what a time-honored tradition race baiting is among Republicans, Whell.

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Was Gore race baiting when he first mentioned Willie Horton when running against Dukakis for the nomination?
Did he? Got a source for that? If he really did, and depending on the context, it may well have been race baiting.

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One need only listen to the Rev to understand what he's all about.
If you're listening to sound bytes provided by the likes of Fox News you have a very incomplete and contrived picture. But when others appeal to your confirmational biases it can be so soothing.

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Gingrich was correct. Its was the left that choose to take an accurate statement about the increase in food stamp recipients under Obama and make it racist.
You can't be that naive. Gingrich called the President our first food stamp president. It was a conscious effort to link the idea of food stamp recipients, nearly all of them black in Right Wing mythology, with the thing that Obama actually is the first of. That's being our first black president.

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I believe the Reagan used the term "welfare queen", not "welfare mom". Please try to be more accurate with your quotes!
Yes, Cadillac driving welfare queens. What a peach of a guy our St. Ronnie was!

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Old 07-12-2012, 09:23 PM
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Hi John,

Racism is 96% of blacks currently polling that they'd vote for Obama over Romney. Ignoring that and accusing anything the GOP or Romney is doing of being racist (or being race baiting) is either high hypocrisy or dismal stupidity. Take your pick (however being a self-defined liberal these days pretty much conveys a little from column A and a little from column B anyways).
Bullshit Mezz but then you know that anyway. Where do you get these notions?
Limburger? You need to broaden your horizons (and opinion sources.) Otherwise you are just looking for controversy with a pea shooter.Once again I've gotta ask again, what are you? A twelve year old prepubescent pissant with a virtual personality run amok? Go away before your parents catch you at it and wash your mouth out with soap.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:46 PM
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Hi John,

Racism is 96% of blacks currently polling that they'd vote for Obama over Romney. Ignoring that and accusing anything the GOP or Romney is doing of being racist (or being race baiting) is either high hypocrisy or dismal stupidity. Take your pick (however being a self-defined liberal these days pretty much conveys a little from column A and a little from column B anyways).
So, Mezz, this is the first time you've replied directly to one of my posts and I guess you've pretty well established the tone for our future interactions here, haven't you. So, I'm either stupid or a hypocrite and probably both?

Just to put your mind at ease, I'm stupid. I'm so stupid that I even believe that 96% of African American voters vote Democratic (and a similarly large proportion of African American politicians are Democratic) because the Republican Party since 1964 has been the party of the Racist South and been against any and all efforts to better the circumstances of black, immigrant and poor Americans.

That's how stupid I am, not brilliant like you.

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Old 07-12-2012, 09:46 PM
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Bullshit Mezz but then you know that anyway. Where do you get these notions?
Limburger? You need to broaden your horizons (and opinion sources.) Otherwise you are just looking for controversy with a pea shooter.Once again I've gotta ask again, what are you? A twelve year old prepubescent pissant with a virtual personality run amok? Go away before your parents catch you at it and wash your mouth out with soap.
Not sure what the polls you are seeing are saying (because you of course didn't cite any) but I'm certainly willing to entertain that there is conflicting poll data around if indeed there is, but of course I haven't seen any so until some data is presented or that poll is taken again, it's 96%.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:55 PM
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So, Mezz, this is the first time you've replied directly to one of my posts and I guess you've pretty well established the tone for our future interactions here, haven't you. So, I'm either stupid or a hypocrite and probably both?

Just to put your mind at ease, I'm stupid. I'm so stupid that I even believe that 96% of African American voters vote Democratic (and a similarly large proportion of African American politicians are Democratic) because the Republican Party since 1964 has been the party of the Racist South and been against any and all efforts to better the circumstances of black, immigrant and poor Americans.

That's how stupid I am, not brilliant like you.

John
You show me a past presidential election where the black vote was split 96% to 4% for the democrat and I'll upgrade you to mildly intellectually deficient (I have read some of your other posts you know) and even grade you as undecided on the hipocrisy.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:59 PM
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You show me a past presidential election where the black vote was split 96% to 4% for the democrat and I'll upgrade you to mildly intellectually deficient (I have read some of your other posts you know) and even grade you as undecided on the hipocrisy.
Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:17 PM
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Was Gore race baiting when he first mentioned Willie Horton when running against Dukakis for the nomination?
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Did he? Got a source for that? If he really did, and depending on the context, it may well have been race baiting.
Never mind, Whell. I sourced it. You're wrong. Again. When even the Free Republic says you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong. You'll be drummed out of the John Birch Society for this! Hand in your fluoride detector badge.

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Old 07-12-2012, 10:18 PM
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Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout.

You missed the point of the discussion.

Did I really need to dumb it down to "a past presidential election where the vote was split 96% to 4% for the non-black democrat" for you finnbow?
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