Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That is essentially saying you can form a committee once a year to come beg with the state for an increase in your wages. It is one step away from outlawing public employee unions. The proposed benefit concessions are not draconian - the changes in the bargaining law are.

Regards,

D-Ray

Yep, the more I read about it, the more I'm convinced that this is what is at issue. This provision has made the Governor's plan an existential threat to the public employee unions in Wisconsin. Though I'm not a particular fan of public employees unions, it is certainly easy to understand why they're on the barricades with respect to this provision.

Furthermore, with the tax cuts the Gov. just instituted causing the fiscal imbalance, it's easy to understand why people perceive this as a preconceived plan to kill the union.

That said, a better business climate and a uncoupling of the unholy alliance between the public employee unions and the state Democratic party may very well help the state in the long run. In the short run, however, it's going to be ugly.

[whell]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That is essentially saying you can form a committee once a year to come beg with the state for an increase in your wages. It is one step away from outlawing public employee unions. The proposed benefit concessions are not draconian - the changes in the bargaining law are.

Regards,

D-Ray

Depends on your perspective. The proposal would appear to lock in a 2 - 3% increase per year, higher if the CPI spikes. Anything above that would require approval from the taxpayers. Seems fair to me, since the public then gets to decide if they're getting value for their dollar.

[d-ray657]

Nope. The CPI is a cap, not a floor. It is particularly tenuous, because the rest of the provisions are designed to distract the unions with trying to survive rather than advancing the interests of their members.

Regards,

D-ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

The changes in pension and medical coverage contributions might be a reasonable measure to propose to the employees. However, that is not what the dispute is about. It is about the following proposal:



That is essentially saying you can form a committee once a year to come beg with the state for an increase in your wages. It is one step away from outlawing public employee unions. The proposed benefit concessions are not draconian - the changes in the bargaining law are.

Regards,

D-Ray

I don't understand the exemptions for fire, law, and inspection employees...if it's good for the goose is it not good for the gander as well?

Don't know about the yearly committee, but why should employers be required to withhold union dues in the 1st place? If you want to belong to a union take some personal responsibility.

Chas

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Charles

I don't understand the exemptions for fire, law, and inspection employees...if it's good for the goose is it not good for the gander as well?

Don't know about the yearly committee, but why should employers be required to withhold union dues in the 1st place? If you want to belong to a union take some personal responsibility.

Chas

Probably the same reasoning that makes employers deduct income tax and FICA?

[Stereoholic]

Originally Posted by Charles

I don't understand the exemptions for fire, law, and inspection employees...if it's good for the goose is it not good for the gander as well?

Chas

It's a "gift" to them because they supported Scotty during the election campaign.

Not working too well though. The police and firefighters are in solidarity with the rest of the unions in this protest. When Walker tried to send the troopers out to look for the senators, they couldn't be bothered with it.

[piece-itpete]

Rob, maybe in the private sector, but here the government rehires them back into their existing job, not as a consultant.

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Rob, maybe in the private sector, but here the government rehires them back into their existing job, not as a consultant.

Pete

Somehow I doubt it. Can you picture the administrative confusion; John Doe as a retiree with pension and healthcare, same john Doe as employee with salary and healthcare, someone is BSing you.

[piece-itpete]

Oh no Rob. I'll find it for you

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Here's just Cleveland. It's happening at the State level too.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011...ouble-dip.html

Pete