The Liberal Media - Page 6

d-ray657 · #51 05-13-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I enjoy coming by every now and then with a " driveby" usually I get Dave
and Noon upset and get asked to leave. You guys are being so nice this time.
I used to be the bad guy around here but seems several have moved through
here way worse than I was.

C'mon Jack, we've evolved.

I'm just waiting for you to say something that will let me cut loose with both barrels. Honestly, I came in here with a chip on shoulder, but I realized that you have your own perspective. IMHO, that perspective isn't particularly married to a political position, but an approach to issues that, although colored by your fealty to the corrupt doctrine of capitalism (

) is one that is honestly come by. BTW, I still have a chip on my shoulder. You can ask any of the guys I pick on.

Regards,

D-Ray

HatchetJack · #52 05-13-2011, 12:52 PM

Not that I so much worship capitalism, I do not, I just believe people need a place
to work and build things and keep more money flowing in this country.
Some here think that is Andy Griffith show logic, I think it's common sense.
I believe someone who operates a business in this country and hires
American workers should be given special consideration and not taxed at a
high rate so our leaders can squander it or give it away to someone who is not
as deserving. I am usually on the fence but lean right because of how I was
raised. 40-50 years ago that would have meant left because democrats
were the conservatives ones. Both sides are crooked, you know that with
the republicans and know what you are going to get. With democrats they
promise change to get your vote but then get in line for their kickback as
soon as they take office. What do do? Don't worry I'll come up with something
to piss yall right off.

flacaltenn · #53 05-16-2011, 11:18 PM

FinBow:

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Watch the first 11 minutes of this before you point to anything by Fox as being remotely credible. This is absolute "must view" footage about the hypocrisy and dishonesty of a contrived issue they've been covering 24/7 for the past two days.

The "issue" over Common may have been contrived into a news item. Maybe even touted as a "breaking news" scandal.

But I watched that Daily Show segment when it aired and I thought Stewart was twisting a bit far to make Fox News look like "hypocrites". The fact that they have Dueling Opinions on this guy Common between their web operations and the studio crews actual destroys the argument about Fox being a single-minded automaton of the Righteous Right. And like many recent Stewart diatribes, it's more "spin" than funny or true. Having differing views on the same news channel is NOT hypocrisy. Or have we forgotten that already???

Larger question here is that maybe some folks DO want full disclosure on what their kids are watching and listening to. It's dam hard to keep full blown crap out of your house these days. Tends to leak in on anything that's got a speaker or a display screen. If you want hypocrisy -- watch a couple hours of the "ABC Family Channel"...

BTW: I'm far from a prude. But the general moral decay is quite obvious to even us libertarian types..

BlueStreak · #54 05-16-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flacaltenn

FinBow:

The "issue" over Common may have been contrived into a news item. Maybe even touted as a "breaking news" scandal.

But I watched that Daily Show segment when it aired and I thought Stewart was twisting a bit far to make Fox News look like "hypocrites". The fact that they have Dueling Opinions on this guy Common between their web operations and the studio crews actual destroys the argument about Fox being a single-minded automaton of the Righteous Right. And like many recent Stewart diatribes, it's more "spin" than funny or true. Having differing views on the same news channel is NOT hypocrisy. Or have we forgotten that already???

Larger question here is that maybe some folks DO want full disclosure on what their kids are watching and listening to. It's dam hard to keep full blown crap out of your house these days. Tends to leak in on anything that's got a speaker or a display screen. If you want hypocrisy -- watch a couple hours of the "ABC Family Channel"...

BTW: I'm far from a prude. But the general moral decay is quite obvious to even us libertarian types..

What?

No one has to "twist" Fox to make them look hypocritical, Dude. They do an awesome job of that on their own.

Aaaaand....Yep. Just as it was nearly impossible for my parents to keep "full blown crap" like Ted Nugent singing about suicide (Dog eat Dog) and pussy (Wang Dang Sweet Poontang) or STDs (Cat Scratch Fever) out of the house in the '70s.

Dave

finnbow · #55 05-17-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

What?

No one has to "twist" Fox to make them look hypocritical, Dude. They do an awesome job of that on their own.

Aaaaand....Yep. Just as it was nearly impossible for my parents to keep "full blown crap" like Ted Nugent singing about suicide (Dog eat Dog) and pussy (Wang Dang Sweet Poontang) or STDs (Cat Scratch Fever) out of the house in the '70s. Dave

... and the performer of that crap (Ted Nugent) was the featured guest on Huckaby's non-announcement show the other night (this was after the clip of him doing things with a machine gun to Obama and Hillary was aired by Stewart).

FlaCalTenn - Stewart doesn't purport to have a news show, but a comedy show. He openly states that he's in the business of delivering "fake news."
Fox News, OTOH, purports to be a "fair and balanced" news source as they parade of collection of conspiracy theory driven whackjobs reciting RNC talking points. Gimme a break.

flacaltenn · #56 05-17-2011, 01:14 PM

So which is it FinBow? His "journalistic ethics exceeds those" of actual journalists. Or he's a comedian making stuff up..

He had the goods on the Fox hysteria with the last 8 minutes of that routine. Didn't need to show that "alternate views" exist on Fox and falsely scream hypocrisy.. Perhaps Stewart isn't as funny as he USED to be (during Bush) because his ethics have been compromised somewhat. In fact Colbert REMAINS the king of political sarcasm because EVERYONE of his victims are TRULY deserving of the plastering.. Doesn't spin and wiggle to make PERCEPTIONS of hypocrisy seem real..

finnbow · #57 05-17-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flacaltenn

So which is it FinBow? His "journalistic ethics exceeds those" of actual journalists. Or he's a comedian making stuff up.. .

Both. Despite being a comedian, he has better journalistic ethics than Beck, Hannity, et al on Fox (damning him with faint praise, I realize). His "fake news" is closer to the truth than the "contrived to enrage" malarkey on Fox. In a nutshell, Fox makes sh*t up, and Stewart ridicules them for doing so.

I also prefer Colbert. The dude is an enormous talent.

BlueStreak · #58 05-17-2011, 02:28 PM

Ah, but often there is truth to be found in humor, is there not?

Dave

flacaltenn · #59 05-17-2011, 02:32 PM

I'm not discouraged by the clowns that show up on both Fox and MSNBC. In fact, there's a Darwinian cleaning effect constantly going on. Those cable "news" organizations have chosen to pontificate for their political sects. And in the process, we get to hear them make their cases (such as they are). Their failure rates for making their cases are extremely high. As any intelligient being would suspect. But that is not the ultimate measure of validity for the "platforms" right or left that they represent. This is because they are extremely incompentent in their methods. Particularly, in who the megastars CHOSE to put on the air as "spokepeople" or movement "leaders". I'm sure we would all agree that there is a list of folks that should be BANNED from being foisted on us as representative of the movements. (Off the top of my head Dick Morris, Gloria AllRed, Susan Estrich, Ted Nugent, Leo DeCaprio, and any CongressCritter with more than 3 terms)

For the "anchors" and "hosts", their reckoning is inevitable as we've seen with Beck and Obermann. Hannity and Schultz are already compromised beyond repair.

Having a forum for making a partisian argument is a good thing. Too bad they are all too stupid to raise the debate to a productive level..

flacaltenn · #60 05-17-2011, 02:37 PM

BlueStreak:

If you can do a comedy routine to embarass or expose, it's because the truth behind the humor is obvious to everyone laughing. That's why Colbert is the genius that he is.

Besides playing a caricature of a right-wing partisian to perfection, he remains an equal opportunity slayer of evil-doers. And does not twist and spin the facts to find his targets.