Trumps is in!

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Originally Posted by Pio1980

Our attitude with firearms teeters between mystical bullshit and failed state lawlessness in this country. Driving is a priveledge, ownership of push button mass murder armaments a right. They were just another tool where and when I was a kid, now some perverted symbol of "freedom". As in failed states and radical upeisings, we have some of the best armed nut jobs anywhere, because we tolerate it.

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Work on the nut jobs, doctors hands are tied in how and where they can divulge information. Background checks will not show poeple that are struggling with metal issues. This directly coralates to when the laws where change to priacy over the safty of the public.

So today we now have nut jobs buying guns and killing as many people they can. Go a head take the guns away but nut jobs will still go on killing unless they are commited to an institution.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The consensus on the left is no more for blanket amnesty than the consensus on the right is for mass deportations. Both want a combination of consequences and mercy. It's in the balance between these two that the differences lie.

I was using the term amnesty simplistically.

Originally Posted by Boreas

A promise that can never be kept, the best kind.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Boehner would have lost his speakership if he'd allowed a vote.

Regardless where will the money to enforce the border regulations to come from? The only spending that the GOP Congress will get a consensus on are tax breaks and funding IDF.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

This is something I have always believed in, answer is treatment and not prohibition, and as long as the liquid variety is legal, let's legalize the solids too

This will never happen as long as we have companies like GEO Group (formerly Wackenhutt) and Corrections Corporation of America making billions of dollars on the incarceration of people whose only crime is the personal use of drugs. They pay our politicians to make sure that draconian drug laws and three strikes laws remain on the books. They work out sweetheart deals with state governments to guarantee "full occupancy", even to the extent of "importing" prisoners from other states.

It's obscene.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Just tired of the lack of logic from the "common sense" crowd and the lack of responsibility from the "personal responsibility" crowd....

If you were actually serious you would know that drug and alcohol adiction is a disability and not a choice in personal responsiblity. Some people can't prosses drugs in their system as others might be able to and once adicted it's to late till they get help. I think most adicts if given the choice and knowlage of their outcome prior to ever having a sip of booz or drugs, choice would be not to start. But then some will as it's a need to medicate their mind to stop...try to stop other pains in their life.

Originally Posted by BeamOn

This is something I have always believed in, answer is treatment and not prohibition, and as long as the liquid variety is legal, let's legalize the solids too. A drug is a drug is a drug, period and alcohol will do. But we still follow the Nancy Reagan solution rather than Betty Ford, though one followed the other.



Elegantly expressed, so what's the solution? Ah, more hand wringing and war on drugs just so we appear to be doing something.

Nancy Reagan solution = generates money and provides to the economy.

Betty Ford solution = generates money and provides to the economy. But will hepl in disapating the problem helping society and reducing government.

What's the solution?

It will need to start at a young age and parenting the youth, no government can do anything about that.

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

If you were actually serious you would know that drug and alcohol adiction is a disability and not a choice in personal responsiblity. Some people can't prosses drugs in their system as others might be able to and once adicted it's to late till they get help. I think most adicts if given the choice and knowlage of their outcome prior to ever having a sip of booz or drugs, choice would be not to start. But then some will as it's a need to medicate their mind to stop...try to stop other pains in their life.

It's always a choice. The alcohol, heroine, meth, tobacco, oxy...did not place it's self into the persons system. They had to choose to do it. Most if not all no the hazards of such things (some of them have it printed on the packaging)....

So again, the gun does not kill nor do the drugs, right?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

It's always a choice. The alcohol, heroine, meth, tobacco, oxy...did not place it's self into the persons system. They had to chose to do it. Most if not all no the hazards of such things (some of them have it printed on the packaging)....

So again, the gun does not kill nor do the drugs, right?

The presence/omnipresence of either increases likelyhood of misuse. Personal accountability still applies, except in cases of delusional irrationality.
Guns are a commodity of irrational oversupply in this country, this is somewhat self inflicted.

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[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

It's always a choice. The alcohol, heroine, meth, tobacco, oxy...did not place it's self into the persons system. They had to choose to do it. Most if not all no the hazards of such things (some of them have it printed on the packaging)....

So again, the gun does not kill nor do the drugs, right?

Your wrong but that's ok it just shows your lack of knowledge on the topic.

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Your wrong but that's ok it just shows your lack of knowledge on the topic.

Been around a lot of drugs and drug addicts in my life. Drugs have to be ingested to be used. They do not have the means to impose themselves on people. People must make a choice to physically put them in their bodies. This is something that you dispute?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Been around a lot of drugs and drug addicts in my life. Drugs have to be ingested to be used. They do not have the means to impose themselves on people. People must make a choice to physically put them in their bodies. This is something that you dispute?

Ok Sally is 8 years old today and Daddy has been fucking here the past 2 years. All the while mommy and daddy do meth and are alcoholics. She kept hoping some day help will come for her and stop Daddy. When She was 11 she really started to act out so mommy and daddy had a doctor pump here full of xanax to control her. In her development years she learned that her pain can be reduced if she can kill here mind. Sally starts to learn that there is other drugs in school that will mask the pain and how she feels about herself.

Sally then meets the love of her life a young man at 25 and he will take her away from daddy, because she is still only 17. She runs away with him doing whatever he says to do. She and him have elevated their drug use to the point of Sally needing to sell her body on the streets.

I can go on and on but you should be able to comprehend that Sally didn't have a chioce. Sally didn't give up any personal responsibility, since she was never tought that. All she was tought is that she was a peice of meat to be used and abused and to use drugs to cope. This is a far to common of a story that I have personaly heard in programs form women and men.

So go ahead and roll people up in your little ignorant boxes based on nothing real. Not everyone in this world has lived your charmed life and able to cast judment how irresponsible others have lived their life and all the bad choices they have made.

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PS: Anyone while maybe not on the above level that uses drugs and alcohol is medicating their mind for a reason. They are trying to escape reality and feel better when their mined is altered.

So even the ones that feel they don't have a problem, think about why the need in the first place to use anything. Perhaps your Sally? perhaps not but you still have a need to escape reality and actuality sitting with yourself on lifes terms.