Israel has invaded Gaza...

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Here's an interesting lament on the current state of Zionism from an espoused Zionist.

I am a Zionist because the story of my forebears convinces me that Jews needed the homeland voted into existence by United Nations Resolution 181 of 1947, calling for the establishment of two states — one Jewish, one Arab — in Mandate Palestine. I am a Zionist who believes in the words of Israel’s founding charter of 1948 declaring that the nascent state would be based “on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel.”

What I cannot accept, however, is the perversion of Zionism that has seen the inexorable growth of a Messianic Israeli nationalism claiming all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River; that has, for almost a half-century now, produced the systematic oppression of another people in the West Bank; that has led to the steady expansion of Israeli settlements on the very West Bank land of any Palestinian state; that isolates moderate Palestinians like Salam Fayyad in the name of divide-and-rule; that pursues policies that will make it impossible to remain a Jewish and democratic state; that seeks tactical advantage rather than the strategic breakthrough of a two-state peace; that blockades Gaza with 1.8 million people locked in its prison and is then surprised by the periodic eruptions of the inmates; and that responds disproportionately to attack in a way that kills hundreds of children.

Is this fellow, like anyone else sharing his opinion, anti-Semitic?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/op...s-in-gaza.html

I don't believe so. I see it as defending oneself against home invasion.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Oh, but we have changed. Politicalchat started as a place where we discussed ideas and philosophies and now much of it is personal insults and name calling. IMO, the reason so many good posters have left. It's a damn shame.

Amen to that but I liken it to a hangover that's slowly fading away, stick around John it'll get better.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Amen to that but I liken it to a hangover that's slowly fading away, stick around John it'll get better.

I hope you're right.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JJIII

I hope you're right.

Me too brother.

[piece-itpete]

Gone for a day or so and I've lost track of who thinks what of who. I doubt I'll be ignorant for long.

In related news, Israel says this'll take a while.

Pete

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Hamas threatening to wipe Israel off the map is about like Gary Coleman (when he was alive) threatening to kick Ken Norton's ass.

After Ken moved into Gary's house without asking whilst expecting him to "like it" due to a European version of Manifest Destiny.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

For something to be considered a threat I believe that the one making the threat has to have at least some remote possibility of actually carrying it out.

Hamas threatening to wipe Israel off the map is about like Gary Coleman (when he was alive) threatening to kick Ken Norton's ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncQbAHunyZ8

Says you who have never been through a holocaust or know anything about the holocaust which you haven't seen on The History Channel, which really oughta be called The Nazi Channel. It's too bad there are only a few survivors left...I so would have enjoyed dragging you kicking and screaming into my parents living room so's you would have the opportunity to hear Abe and Mimi Kaplan talk about Dachau (which he survived) and Majdanek (which she survived).

They were both scared shitless of being blown to shreds every day living in Israel. From the day they got there, until they died. It's pretty easy living here knowing the terrorists want us all dead...a little more difficult to know it when you live in Haifa.

PS - I hate to be humor impaired, but your false equivalency disorder is really raging with this comparison.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Says you who have never been through a holocaust or know anything about the holocaust which you haven't seen on The History Channel, which really oughta be called The Nazi Channel.

Dude, Nazi Germany had the most powerful military in the world at the time of the Holocaust. Hamas would get their asses handed to them by the Mississippi National Guard.

How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?

How about their Air Force?

http://www.idfblog.com/about-the-idf...its/air-force/

The Israel Air Force is universally recognized to be among the world’s most powerful aerial fighting forces.

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I so would have enjoyed dragging you kicking and screaming into my parents living room

You'd have about as much chance of dragging me anywhere as Hamas would have of wiping Israel off the map. If you tried it I'd knock your dick in the dirt.

http://www.hark.com/clips/jqzqzhclhj...ck-in-the-dirt

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Dude, Nazi Germany had the most powerful military in the world at the time of the Holocaust. Hamas would get their asses handed to them by the Mississippi National Guard.

How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?

How about their Air Force?

http://www.idfblog.com/about-the-idf...its/air-force/





You'd have about as much chance of dragging me anywhere as Hamas would have of wiping Israel off the map. If you tried it I'd knock your dick in the dirt.

http://www.hark.com/clips/jqzqzhclhj...ck-in-the-dirt

Ahhhhhh PFFFFfffffffttttttttt....

And don't be so sure I couldn't drag you. You woulda liked my parents house. Any time anybody came over Mom would make Dad walk down to the Jewish deli on the corner and get a big plate of cold-cuts, cheese, and celery sticks. I always like that term "cold-cuts". I never heard anybody use that term but Jews...although I grew up with Jews, so that may be the reason. Did goyem use the term "cold-cuts?" And then typically it was always an afternoon of "Oy...gott im himmel" and other such yiddish exclamations one would hear in a room fulla old Jews.

BTW - threatening to put my dick in the dirt is hardly a threat at all after a Gunnery Sgt. has promised to bust your eyeballs out and skullfuck you.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

BTW - threatening to put my dick in the dirt is hardly a threat at all after a Gunnery Sgt. has promised to bust your eyeballs out and skullfuck you.

So what?

It was my favorite line from the movie "The Breakfast Club" and I've been waiting a long time for a chance to use it.