The Affordable Care Act

[Charles]

Originally Posted by icenine

The middle class was disappearing way before Obamacare Charles....you are just upset the Federal Reserve is 100 years old and that Obamacare is a year old

by the way Tea Party Republicans will not ever vote for single payer the Koch brothers will see to that

the tea baggers are being duped by emotion

I really love big government I think I will play lots of solitaire on my gubmint computer next Monday morning since it will be slow because of the holidays....

Come back when you grow up.

Chas

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Charles

You're correct, PPACA will not be repealed. The party which can best articulate it's transition into single payer will be the winner.

As is, PPACA is simply eliminating the middle class, in particular the lower middle class. The people who have to write a check for all of this bullshit.

The Democrats are catching hell for taking a bad situation and making it worse...as they should. I'll admit, going from for profit health insurance to universal coverage is dificult, and will have to be handled in steps.

But this is a pretty piss poor first step.

Chas

Maybe we should have left the first step to the GOP...in which case there would have been no first step...piss poor or otherwise.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Charles

Come back when you grow up.

Chas

Well ice...I suspect this stunning retort left you crushed into dust.


PS - in my post on page 50, I mistakenly said that the ACA would go into effect on Jan 1, 2013...I should have said 2014. (Thanks Bob).

[bobabode]

If I were you I would've followed in dear old Dad's footsteps. Unfortunately mine was a community organizer, general rabble rouser and biz mgr. for the AFSCME local in LA amongst other things. I blame that fraternity, Kappa Alpha Psi, that he joined at USC back in the '50s. Not bad fo' a poor white boy.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

The middle class was disappearing way before Obamacare Charles....you are just upset the Federal Reserve is 100 years old and that Obamacare is a year old

by the way Tea Party Republicans will not ever vote for single payer the Koch brothers will see to that

the tea baggers are being duped by emotion

I really love big government I think I will play lots of solitaire on my gubmint computer next Monday morning since it will be slow because of the holidays....

Originally Posted by Charles

Even my Dad, who worked his way up from a truck driver to a business agent for the Teamsters in St. Louis, would have never considered a shake down of this magnitude.

You can only "lean" on so many people at one time.

Chas

Originally Posted by Charles

Come back when you grow up.

Chas

Shakedown, my ass. Everybody uses the system, everybody who possibly can, should be paying in. My only gripe with ACA is that it's half assed. And the only reason it's half assed is because half the population would probably start shooting if we shoved Single-Payer down their throats.

I agree that Obama shouldn't have "lied", if that's what you want to call it. He should have just told them, "You very well might lose your current coverage.....because it's part of a bullshit system that's slowly self-destructing, costing more every year to provide less coverage to less people. So, we're going to kill it now and move on. Don't like it? Tough shit, that's just how it is."

Dave

[icenine]

Is not the ACA an example of individual responsibility that the Republicans have been ramming down our throats all these years? Oh wait...Obama called their bluff by actually enacting legislation to do just that....


odd I would not consider being unable to lose coverage because of a pre-existing condition a shake down...then again I like the good America

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Charles

Come back when you grow up.

Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Shakedown, my ass. Everybody uses the system, everybody who possibly can, should be paying in. My only gripe with ACA is that it's half assed. And the only reason it's half assed is because half the population would probably start shooting if we shoved Single-Payer down their throats.

I agree that Obama shouldn't have "lied", if that's what you want to call it. He should have just told them, "You very well might lose your current coverage.....because it's part of a bullshit system that's slowly self-destructing, costing more every year to provide less coverage to less people. So, we're going to kill it now and move on. Don't like it? Tough shit, that's just how it is."

Dave

Elections should have consequences. Unfortunately for Obama we haven't seen this type of blatant obstructionism and attempts at nullification since old Honest Abraham was sitting in that house in a swamp. Sheesh, this guy has been treated like a lame duck since day fricking one and it has only gotten worse since the Tea Besodden pulled into town in 2010 with the childish neo cons cheering them on.
If anyone thinks this shit won't come back to bite the Goppers in their asses? They are sadly mistaken. The Donks will exact their pound of flesh come hell or high water down the road. I'm sure they will fill every open seat on the Federal bench and I hope they find a young replacement to fill Bader Ginsberg's seat if she retires. How about Susan Rice?

Ya never know, Kennedy is getting pretty old and Hizzoner Scalia is a coronary waiting to happen. Then we can put Liz Warren on the high bench, too.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And if I might remind everybody...the GOP knew it would never go away unless they won the Oval Office in 2012. Many were open about this and said that once it's fully activated in Jan 2013, it's all over for repeal.

So they will continue to try to screw with the funding but it's never going away now.

And any Americans who vote for some Senate or House candidate because he/she has promised to repeal Obamacare is a straight up sucker. The Ted Cruz's and Fred Upton's and any other GOP members of Congress are playing their constituents for suckers when they promise repeal of the ACA to whore up votes knowing all the while tkhat they can't ever keep the promise.

Ayup. Even if the Goppers win the Senate in '14? They'll never have the votes to overcome a Presidential veto. This one is over and there isn't shit that the rightwing nutters can do about it.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Shakedown, my ass. Everybody uses the system, everybody who possibly can, should be paying in. My only gripe with ACA is that it's half assed. And the only reason it's half assed is because half the population would probably start shooting if we shoved Single-Payer down their throats.

I agree that Obama shouldn't have "lied", if that's what you want to call it. He should have just told them, "You very well might lose your current coverage.....because it's part of a bullshit system that's slowly self-destructing, costing more every year to provide less coverage to less people. So, we're going to kill it now and move on. Don't like it? Tough shit, that's just how it is."

Dave

It is half assed, if not worse. About the only positive attribute I can see is the mandate for covering pre existing conditions.

The Democrats were in the position to pass anything they wanted, and this is what they came up with. Passed without a single Gopper vote and no Gopper input.

And what's the Donks defense? Sure it's fucked up, but that's because of the Goppers. Face it, the Goppers had nothing to do with it, this pig is yours.

Now I've been an advocate of single payer every since the days when the nation could afford to do it. And while the Donks talk a good game, this is what they came up with...and it's not single payer by a long shot.

I don't know what that tells you, but it tells me that the Donks are just as bought and paid for as the Goppers ever thought about being.

Chas