Well there goes the economy

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The Great Alibi (aka Bush). George Will

Numbers don't lie, Pete. the economy was in the shitter when Bush left office. Will is a conservative and a staunch Bush defender, not credible on the subject.

If the economy is growing then why don't we rein in the porkulus bill?

Well, it's a valid point for discussion. There are well-regarded economists who would support your view but there are others who would say that more stimulus spending is necessary to maintain and accelerate the recovery.

I don't know which, if either, view is correct.

John

[piece-itpete]

It would certainly put some reality in Obamas call for deficit attention.

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Aren't a lot of the Stimulus projects spending money on infrastructure? Personally, I believe we need to do a good deal of work. That bridge collapse in Minneapolis should have been a wake up call. A few decades of "why should I have to pay" finally brough about a frightening answer.

I could never understand what this country has against pre-stressed concerete, the Dutch can put up bridges in a third of the time it takes here. They don't need painting every four or five years. They don't suffer the potential for hidden damage when the concrete decks get poured in bad weather. The don't even need to go to The Netherlands for advice, most bridges in Quebec have been built with pre-stressed concrete since the 60s.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the economy is growing then why don't we rein in the porkulus bill?

If you believe the bill and spending are what is driving the growth, why would you pull back?

It's the corollary to the Republican argument that "you can't raise taxes *now*, we're in a recession".

[westgate]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

I think we should embrace all illegals and encourage more. In fact why don't we just drop the whole US citizen/Illegal Alien thing and have a dang Hootenanny! I mean after all, how dare us lay claim to any chunk of land when we are actually a global citizens of the one united planet. Line starts on the left.

Your actually comparing peoples concerns about the amount of illegals in this country and the inherent ecomomic affects to Hitlers Germany???

RC

this 'chunk of land' still belongs to native americans, imo. us honkies and our ilk have no business even being in north america in the first place.

[piece-itpete]

No one knows what drives the recovery. Cracks me up, Obama talking deficit reduction, reminds me of the election!

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It would certainly put some reality in Obamas call for deficit attention.

Pete

Okay, Larry, whatever.

John

[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by Boreas

So, you don't think Reagan's amnesty actually encouraged illegal immigration? And you don't think his giving only lip service to employer sanctions was a cop-out (for which I blame both parties)?

A racist with open ties to white supremacist groups whose department systematically harrasses brown people in his county.

Is overreaching the way they describe racism now?

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tea-party-f...ory?id=9751718

Tancredo was a Republican US Congressman and candidate for the 2008 nomination for president.



Not just one incident and not just one person. Forde was connected intimately with the Minuteman Movement.

John

I believe I noted that Reagan' actions didn't work out too well.


How would do you want me to respond in regard to your original post, John. If you want to conveniently turn this in to a race thing ( I could see it going there and I was correct, again) for your argument then fine' I just don't want to play along. To point out a handful of sad realities for your argument then fine, I don't wish to play along. It's too easy to divert attention from issues by dropping the race bomb.

I am curious as to what you believe should be done about it. My immediate guess would be, nothing.

RC

[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Let me put it this way, I have worked small, non-profit medium and large since arriving here in '84. I met damn few owners that I would describe as liberals.

Well, I guess were are screwed then. If they're all of the evil conservative type. I'm not sure there are enough for profit or non-profits run by compassionate liberals who will hire regardless of business climate for all of us to work for.

If what you say is true, I honestly wonder why that is. Maybe the realities of running a business (large or small) make these individuals see things in a different light.

RC

[HatchetJack]

Conservatives are good at making money and liberals are good at spending it.
Or stealing it.