Christian Nation?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What legislation are you referring to?

Wow, really?

Prop 8 in California? The Offensive Marrige act? Forty years of calls to overturn Roe v. Wade?

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I guess we are a Christian nation after all. Our soldiers in Afghanistan have rifle scopes with bible verses inscribed on them by the manufacturer, Trijicon. Onward Christian Soldiers, indeed.

That's interesting. But isn't it a mountain out of a molehill?

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Wow, really?

Prop 8 in California? The Offensive Marrige act? Forty years of calls to overturn Roe v. Wade?

Most cultures, including many non Christian ones, would agree with prop 8. Using abortion isn't really a good example (think about it).

All law is legislated morality.

Pete

[merrylander]

Any relation between morality and organized religion is purely accidental.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

That's interesting. But isn't it a mountain out of a molehill?

Probably, but it's a pretty stupid thing to do when we're trying to convince ourselves and the world that this is not a war against Islam. In that a counterinsurgency is, by definition, a struggle for "hearts and minds," one should be careful not to give your enemies a propaganda coup that will enable them to perpetuate the modern day "crusades" analogy.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Any relation between morality and organized religion is purely accidental.

Good one. Subtle, and true.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Probably, but it's a pretty stupid thing to do when we're trying to convince ourselves and the world that this is not a war against Islam. In that a counterinsurgency is, by definition, a struggle for "hearts and minds," one should be careful not to give your enemies a propaganda coup that will enable them to perpetuate the modern day "crusades" analogy.

Maybe we could send a bunch of missionaries over there to convert them?
Oh, wait, hasn't that already been tried?

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Any relation between morality and organized religion is purely accidental.

That's a quotable quote!

Originally Posted by finnbow

Probably, but it's a pretty stupid thing to do when we're trying to convince ourselves and the world that this is not a war against Islam. In that a counterinsurgency is, by definition, a struggle for "hearts and minds," one should be careful not to give your enemies a propaganda coup that will enable them to perpetuate the modern day "crusades" analogy.

I do understand, but I'm trying to picture it - Eslan Al Kadarha gets his hands on a servicemans' rifle (he's a happy camper).

Examining it, he spies the model number on the scope in teenie characters.

Suddenly, he notices that among the numbers is JN8:12!! (gasp! )

Osama must be notified immediately!!



Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I do understand, but I'm trying to picture it - Eslan Al Kadarha gets his hands on a servicemans' rifle (he's a happy camper).

Examining it, he spies the model number on the scope in teenie characters.

Suddenly, he notices that among the numbers is JN8:12!! (gasp! )

Osama must be notified immediately!!



Pete

. Admittedly, if Osama and his band of goat-f_ckers hear about this, it will be courtesy of CNN.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Probably, but it's a pretty stupid thing to do when we're trying to convince ourselves and the world that this is not a war against Islam. In that a counterinsurgency is, by definition, a struggle for "hearts and minds," one should be careful not to give your enemies a propaganda coup that will enable them to perpetuate the modern day "crusades" analogy.

One way that might help is to stop all the "war on terrorism" crap when it is a simple pest extermination problem. Maybe we could put Tom Delay in charge.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

That's interesting. But isn't it a mountain out of a molehill?

No, another boulder on the mountain.

Most cultures, including many non Christian ones, would agree with prop 8. Using abortion isn't really a good example (think about it).

All law is legislated morality.

Pete

Seems like every few months another country passes a marriage equality law. Even Spain, for goodness sake. How much more Catholic a country can you think of than Spain and yet they have full marriage rights for gay and lesbian people.

The list of countries which allow gay marriage or same sex domestic partnerships is large and growing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_...e-sex_marriage

With luck and before long the US and the fundamentalist Muslim countries will be the only ones which still outlaw the practice.

John