Scotus predicitons re: Obamacare

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Everything is upheld. SCOTUS reinterpreted the Individual Mandate as a tax. Otherwise, The Affordable Care Act pretty much stands as written.

Suck on that, Repubs!

John

So Obama tells the American people that its not a tax. However, when the administration argues PPACA before the SCOTUS, they argue that it is a tax. So, someone's lying, and who's the liar?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-is-not-a-tax/

The argument that the direction to purchase health insurance is not "commerce" under the commerce clause never got to first base with Roberts apparently. Interesting, and unexpected.

So Obama gets to preside over one of the largest expansions of government and one of the largest tax increases in history. Congrats Dems.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Sorry about that, Repubs. I'm doing that "team sport" thing I hate so much. The thing is, you won too. You just don't know it yet.

Congrats to everyone!

John

So much for the "back pocket" court theory. Roberts swings which is keeping with his view of law. I'll grant him that. Now, we get to hear the BS from both sides for the next four months. It will be the people's choice in November to decide the fate of PPACA.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bhunter

So much for the "back pocket" court theory. Roberts swings which is keeping with his view of law. I'll grant him that. Now, we get to hear the BS from both sides for the next four months. It will be the people's choice in November to decide the fate of PPACA.

In the more unlikely event that Romney wins, he will not repeal it.

[Bigerik]

Great day for grass roots republicans. They get to have health care!

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

So Obama tells the American people that its not a tax. However, when the administration argues PPACA before the SCOTUS, they argue that it is a tax. So, someone's lying, and who's the liar?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...-is-not-a-tax/

Really? What's your source for that? In other words, where dies it say that one of the Administration arguments before the Court was that the Mandate is a tax? The fact that the SCOTUS held it to be a tax isn't necessarily an indication that it was an element of the Administration's case.

By the way, your link is 3 years old.

"Who's the liar" indeed!

John

[Zeke]

To quote Joe Biden, "this is a big fucking deal Mr. President."

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Now, we get to hear the BS from both sides for the next four months. It will be the people's choice in November to decide the fate of PPACA.

Beginning with Boehner already scheduling a vote for July 9th to repeal the Affordable Care Act in its entirety.

How can you Republicans stand your "representation" any longer?

Originally Posted by icenine

In the more unlikely event that Romney wins, he will not repeal it.

Well, of course, Romney can't repeal it - despite vowing that he will. That's Congress' job. If, for some reason, Republicans gain control of both houses, they probablywill repeal the Affordable Care Act - and then replace it with something containing everyone of its key provisions.

John

[piece-itpete]

Another important decision with no one being able to read it

Pete

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Really? What's your source for that? In other words, where dies it say that one of the Administration arguments before the Court was that the Mandate is a tax? The fact that the SCOTUS held it to be a tax isn't necessarily an indication that it was an element of the Administration's case.

By the way, your link is 3 years old.

"Who's the liar" indeed!

John

Today's NYT is the source: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us...nted=2&_r=1&hp

"The Obama administration had said in court in 2010 that the mandate could be upheld under the taxation powers, which it called even more sweeping than the federal power to regulate interstate commerce. "

And that's why the link is 3 years old: Obama specifically denied in 2009 that that PPACA was a tax increase. Yet, during arguments in lower Federal courts and ultimately SCOTUS, the administration defended the PPACA and specifically the mandate under the Fed's power to levy taxes.

So, yes, someone lied. Indeed.

[CarlV]

Carl