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Old 04-24-2012, 02:17 PM
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Ignorance is the cornerstone of his support base.
I think you missed it. The tea party is on the right.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:18 PM
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He followed through with Bush's promises, that he ran against?

Pete
A third term for Presidents is not allowed (thanks to the Republicans back in the 1950s...I guess in Bush's case they were doing us a favor) so Obama was not running against any "promises" from W's second term. As Barbara has pointed out, Obama is another President following a consensus foreign policy without concern as to political party.

Cold War Presidents
Truman Eisnenhower Kennedy Johnson Nixon Ford Carter Reagan....Four Democrats and 4 (counting Ford) Republicans following the same basic foreign policy of containment.

War On Terror Presidents
George W. Bush
Barack H. Obama

ditto...however Obama just is not getting the same respect for some reason...
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:35 PM
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A third term for Presidents is not allowed (thanks to the Republicans back in the 1950s...I guess in Bush's case they were doing us a favor) so Obama was not running against any "promises" from W's second term. As Barbara has pointed out, Obama is another President following a consensus foreign policy without concern as to political party.

Cold War Presidents
Truman Eisnenhower Kennedy Johnson Nixon Ford Carter Reagan....Four Democrats and 4 (counting Ford) Republicans following the same basic foreign policy of containment.

War On Terror Presidents
George W. Bush
Barack H. Obama

ditto...however Obama just is not getting the same respect for some reason...
The difference has been that Obama has worked to build consensus with allies. The result - we didn't have to carry all of the water in Libya. The Arab League is coalescing against the regime in Syria, and progress on that front is being made in the UN. Our position with respect to North Korea has close to universal support. This record doesn't stop the snipers, though.

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:48 PM
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Libya? NATO cover over US action. There's an excellent article out there about how any action over Syria will be absolutely impossible without US basically doing it, NATOs own report.

Obama ran on change. Not similarity, although tax cuts patriot act multiple bombings previously mentioned gitmo the entire financial oversight division including no regulation of derivitives...

So his campaign slogan will be, Obama - like Bush??

Ice a two term limit almost made it into the Constitution when it was written. I know, a will is as good as a mile, except Washington pointedly made it an example that was honored until the President For Life came along.

Would you have enjoyed a Reagan 3rd term?

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:56 PM
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Libya? NATO cover over US action. There's an excellent article out there about how any action over Syria will be absolutely impossible without US basically doing it, NATOs own report.

Obama ran on change. Not similarity, although tax cuts patriot act multiple bombings previously mentioned gitmo the entire financial oversight division including no regulation of derivitives...

So his campaign slogan will be, Obama - like Bush??

Ice a two term limit almost made it into the Constitution when it was written. I know, a will is as good as a mile, except Washington pointedly made it an example that was honored until the President For Life came along.

Would you have enjoyed a Reagan 3rd term?

Pete
You do know Bush went into Iraq? This was not a people in protest. Bush also took his eye off of Bin.

These are very different actions. It is a change.

He has apologized for George, good healthy change I'd say.

Tell me this, if you apologize for the actions of your predecessor and pursue a different course how is that not change?

Listen I get that you don't like the guy for whatever reason but to say he is not a change from Bush and his slimy bunch is just not true.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:59 PM
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Ah yes, Iraq, 10 months and out no matter what according to Obama.

Until he beat Hillary anyway.

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Old 04-24-2012, 03:04 PM
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Ah yes, Iraq, 10 months and out no matter what according to Obama.

Until he beat Hillary anyway.

Pete
oh my, you are a bit literal

best to never follow politics in this case
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:05 PM
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You're kidding. I love this stuff.

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Old 04-24-2012, 03:09 PM
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Ice a two term limit almost made it into the Constitution when it was written. I know, a will is as good as a mile, except Washington pointedly made it an example that was honored until the President For Life came along.Pete
My thoughts? If the people want a third term then why not? Democracy means voting for who you want to be President. A third term for Reagan?
If people wanted it why not. I do not think it would have been too different from the first Bush presidency...oh yeah and that President for Life? We're still in his shadow thank God.....pick up your Social Security check lately?
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:12 PM
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What is that, an eight year night in Obama speak?

Why continue trying to defend the indefensible. .
Because it isn't indefensible, and the GOP has no more "integrity" than anyone else. And the fact that you keep insisting it does is only demonstrative of the effectiveness of rightwing media brainwashing.

I'm sure you will respond in kind, and I pre-emptively state that you are not entirely unjustifed in doing so. You've notice that Liberals are affected by misleading proganda. Congratulations, you are HALFWAY to seeing the truth.

"Under the spreading Chestnut Tree, where I saw you and you saw me."

Can you wrap you pointy head around that?

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