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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Noogies

And that condescending attitude is what pisses them off no end. It's what makes them consider you their enemy. They call it political elitism and it's what motivates them to say and occasionally do outrageous things just to see if they can make a snowflake cry.

Condesention is one thing, striking out with reactionary malice is another. Which would you say is worse?

[donquixote99]

Differing ideology makes people opponents; social media makes them enemies.

[313guy]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

The great majority of the Republican electorate believe the election was stolen from tRump and consider Joe Biden an illegitimate president. What would you call them?

Gullible.

Someone wiser than me said, "Fooling people is easy. Convincing them that they have been fooled is not."

Or something to that effect.

or as the great Floridian philosopher Thomas Petty put it, "You believe what you want to believe."

[Pio1980]

"Still a man hears what he wants to hear. And disregards the rest."
Paul Simon

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Condescension is one thing, striking out with reactionary malice is another. Which would you say is worse?

I would say that adopting a posture that goads another into malicious reactionary behavior is as bad as anything, especially when done with intent. I'm not sure why we're all so irritable these days, but if we don't stop poking each other with sticks it won't end well.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

The great majority of the Republican electorate believe the election was stolen from tRump and consider Joe Biden an illegitimate president. What would you call them?

Originally Posted by Noogies

I would say that adopting a posture that goads another into malicious reactionary behavior is as bad as anything, especially when done with intent.

That's trolling and the exact opposite of honest discourse.

Originally Posted by Noogies

I'm not sure why we're all so irritable these days, but if we don't stop poking each other with sticks it won't end well.

Not irritable here and I've put away my stick.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Noogies

I would say that adopting a posture that goads another into malicious reactionary behavior is as bad as anything, especially when done with intent. I'm not sure why we're all so irritable these days, but if we don't stop poking each other with sticks it won't end well.

When someone gloats over their supposed success in 'making a snowflake cry,' malice is self-evident. It's a rather larger task to show nasty condescending liberals were goading him on purpose. Not that it doesn't happen, mind, but I don't think such intent should typically be assumed. I actually think it is more typical for haters to project blame on the targets of their hate, claiming that because said targets 'make' the haters feel what they feel, they must be doing it on purpose.

Nonetheless, I take your point. Empathy should extend to people of conservative disposition, too. One should be kind if possible, and it is said to always be possible.*


* I'm still struggling in some cases. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-apology.html

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

When someone gloats over their supposed success in 'making a snowflake cry,' malice is self-evident. It's a rather larger task to show nasty condescending liberals were goading him on purpose. Not that it doesn't happen, mind, but I don't think such intent should typically be assumed. I actually think it is more typical for haters to project blame on the targets of their hate, claiming that because said targets 'make' the haters feel what they feel, they must be doing it on purpose.

Nonetheless, I take your point. Empathy should extend to people of conservative disposition, too. One should be kind if possible, and it is said to always be possible.*


* I'm still struggling in some cases. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-apology.html

He then admitted to writing it but said it was taken out of context and that he meant to send it as a private message

So which one was it? Is there a different context of his words or was it not meant for general distribution?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

I'll engage with anyone who makes an honest effort to discus topics, ideas or even theories. Those just trolling or being contrary aren't worth the bandwidth.
Are you aware that a great many Republicans consider Democrats their enemies? I consider them not enemies but just misguided.

Holy cow! I could have posted those exact words, except I'd swap democrats nd republicans, obviously. You precisely reflected my position on all of this.

One of the challenges, though, with the accusation of "troll" is that, generally speaking, it means a person is stating an opinion that is actually contrary to their own, just to get a reaction. One could possibly also be considered a troll if he goes to a site that is dedicated to a particular position on a thing, and starts arguing that that position is wrong. e.g. a Black man going to a KKK meeting and saying black men are superior to white men. He may be right, or he may be wrong, but if that is where he states it, it's possible he could be accused of trolling.

But the latter type is not possible here since this is neither a democrat or republican site. All posters with all perspectives are welcome, as long as they are reasonably respectful to the posts of others. And frankly, that last part means that if you want to say a post is "stupid" or ignorant, don't say it's stupid. Rather, present evidence to demonstrate that it is stupid or ignorant and let the readers decide for themselves. Assuming they read your post at all. 🤣

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by 313guy

Gullible.

Someone wiser than me said, "Fooling people is easy. Convincing them that they have been fooled is not."

Or something to that effect.

or as the great Floridian philosopher Thomas Petty put it, "You believe what you want to believe."

Yeah. My tag line. It took years to convince me I was being fooled. I left the Republican party in the W years. No, I didn't become democrat. As Reagan said, with a slight twist, I didn't leave the republican party. The republican party left me. They are way too far left for me now. And, of course, the D's are even further left.

I started seeing both parties as the "uniparty", playing "good cop, bad cop" with us. The bad cop being whichever side disagreed with you the most. And eventually this uniparty became known as the "deep state". They exposed themselves with the Trump presidency. They all hated him, but none quite so much as Liz Cheney, apparently.😁

But I stopped trusting virtually all of them quite a while ago.