The Affordable Care Act

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Yeah, riiiight- upsid down death spiral. keep on listening to those voices in yer head, Jim. You guys crack me up with the florid apocalyptical crap that you repeat.

If they started dinging everyone at seven bones right at the gitgo...all of you 'baggers would be up in arms and a'screeching redfaced at your representative in the house of fools. Not that it would do much good.

The "Death Spiral" is not a right wing or tea party apocalyptic crap.

It's accounting apocalyptic crap.

Death Spiral

The repeated elimination of products without a corresponding decrease in overhead costs. As a result the amount of overhead allocated to each unit of product increases. If selling prices are increased to cover the higher per unit allocated costs, fewer units might be sold. With fewer unit sales and no reduction in overhead costs, the remaining products will be assigned greater per unit overhead costs. If selling prices are increased to cover these still higher unit costs, there could be a further decline in sales

You know we could call it "downward demand spiral" but that just doesn't sound as cool

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

The "Death Spiral" is not a right wing or tea party apocalyptic crap.

It's accounting apocalyptic crap.

Death Spiral

The repeated elimination of products without a corresponding decrease in overhead costs. As a result the amount of overhead allocated to each unit of product increases. If selling prices are increased to cover the higher per unit allocated costs, fewer units might be sold. With fewer unit sales and no reduction in overhead costs, the remaining products will be assigned greater per unit overhead costs. If selling prices are increased to cover these still higher unit costs, there could be a further decline in sales

You know we could call it "downward demand spiral" but that just doesn't sound as cool

So...when it comes to health care...WTF is it that you want? You want a return to the fucked up for-profit, insurance industry controlled, employment linked, twice as expensive system with shit outcomes like we've had for over 4 decades? With over 30 million un-insured driving up the costs? That's what you want?

You people are at the point where, when it comes to Obama, all we hear outta you is "everything stinks" and you're too unconscious to realize you have your heads buried the bucket of dogshit that is FOXNEWS and the EIB.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JBS...

The "Death Spiral" is not a right wing or tea party apocalyptic crap.

It's accounting apocalyptic crap.

Death Spiral

The repeated elimination of products without a corresponding decrease in overhead costs. As a result the amount of overhead allocated to each unit of product increases. If selling prices are increased to cover the higher per unit allocated costs, fewer units might be sold. With fewer unit sales and no reduction in overhead costs, the remaining products will be assigned greater per unit overhead costs. If selling prices are increased to cover these still higher unit costs, there could be a further decline in sales

You know we could call it "downward demand spiral" but that just doesn't sound as cool

Thank-you for a nice cite of high-school-level accounting. Now can you translate that in concrete terms to the ACA situation, which is certainly much more complex? On the face of it, products (health care policies) are being changed, some eliminated, but in the net increased. Sales are increased, some overhead is up, some down, there are manifold funding streams going back and forth. It's not instantly obvious where the 'thing that sounds cool' is actually happening.

I'll await your analysis. (I'm pretty sure I'll just get glib propaganda, but there's nothing like asking....)

[Ike Bana]

And if I might provide a reminder...the plan changes, the doctor changes, the policy adjustments, but most of all the reduction in available doctors and medical groups in certain geographic areas is being generated by the for-profit insurance industry as a way for them and for the same for-profit medical groups to maintain their profit margins (they like to call it "cost control") under the new law.

So Obama's plan to bring down cost will happen and the ignorant American public needs to decide who it's pissed off at. IMO we should be pissed off at the insurance industry and the medical profession...FOX/EIB addicts will be pissed off at the Kenyan anti-colonialist.

[piece-itpete]

Didn't the insurance industry write the law?

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Didn't the insurance industry write the law?

Pete

IMO Willard's people in Massachusetts wrote it. Primarily a team headed up by MIT econ professor Jonathan Gruber. I like Gruber a lot. Particularly after hearing what Gruber said when he heard Romney's attacks on the ACA, "It's the same fucking bill."

So I'm gonna say...no...the insurance industry did not write the law.

[piece-itpete]

Are we talking about the same Congress?

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Hmmm, 'Liz Fowler' is mentioned a lot.

Pete

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So...when it comes to health care...WTF is it that you want? You want a return to the fucked up for-profit, insurance industry controlled, employment linked, twice as expensive system with shit outcomes like we've had for over 4 decades? With over 30 million un-insured driving up the costs? That's what you want?

You people are at the point where, when it comes to Obama, all we hear outta you is "everything stinks" and you're too unconscious to realize you have your heads buried the bucket of dogshit that is FOXNEWS and the EIB.

I mean this in the nicest possible way. Every post I read of yours, I get this vision of a monkey flinging shit. But to answer your question, YES

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

I mean this in the nicest possible way. Every post I read of yours, I get this vision of a monkey flinging shit. But to answer your question, YES

And I mean this in the nicest possible way. Every post I read of yours, I get this vision of a face with prefrontal lobotomy bruising.

So it's yes then. Twice the money for 40th best outcomes...the lobotomy is obviously working great for you. And 45,000 needlessly dead Americans every year. Ahhh you kinder and gentler conservatives, eh?