Donald Trump Lost Today. It's Over.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Care to explain?

Limitations of the mind:

The mind of a man blind from birth is handicapped with regards to colors.

Our minds have a chicken and egg issue. The concept of God solves that problem.

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by nailer

Isn't one of the most ancient words for God essentially Nothing?

The old masters of Zen very often used to call this "God" it, just it.

See for example the "Blue Cliff Record".

And Lao-Tzu expresses it this way:

"The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name. Conceived of as having no name, it is the Orginator of heaven and earth, conceived of as having a name it is the Mother [God; HK] of all things.

Always without desire we must be found
If its deep Mystery we would be sound
But with desire always within us be
Its outer fringe is all that we shall see

Under these two aspects, it is really the same; but as development takes place, it receives the different names. Together we call them the Mystery, where the Mystery is the deepest is the gate of all that is subtle and wonderful."

(Translated by James Legge, 1891)

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Darwin.

Darwin has a starting problem.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

it is the Orginator of heaven and earth,

Re your post #372. So "It" of Tao is not abstract; It is just a variant name.

[HarmanKardon]

"It" is abstract, but the "10000 things" (Lao-Tzu) result from it, it.

You can't get Taoism by using your logic, you only can get it by using your intuition, if available.

[HarmanKardon]

By the way, Donald Trump (the actual topic of this thread) would never get it, he only understands two things: pussies and money.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Darwin has a starting problem.

The big bang followed by gravity. It's all Thor and Loki's fault.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

By the way, Donald Trump (the actual topic of this thread) would never get it, he only understands two things: pussies and money.

Given his history, I suspect he understands neither of those things.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

The old masters of Zen very often used to call this "God" it, just it.

See for example the "Blue Cliff Record".

And Lao-Tzu expresses it this way:

"The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name. Conceived of as having no name, it is the Orginator of heaven and earth, conceived of as having a name it is the Mother [God; HK] of all things.

Always without desire we must be found
If its deep Mystery we would be sound
But with desire always within us be
Its outer fringe is all that we shall see

Under these two aspects, it is really the same; but as development takes place, it receives the different names. Together we call them the Mystery, where the Mystery is the deepest is the gate of all that is subtle and wonderful."

(Translated by James Legge, 1891)

The thing about eliminating desire is you have to eliminate in the right order. You have to eliminate the desire to eliminate desire last, or the project will go right off the rails.

I have noticed that desire is at the root of the big problem we imagine having with Cylons and other such Sci-Fi machines run amuck. The thing is, of course, we ought to have good control over what is wanted by entities we create. Eliminating their desire, in particular the desire to kill us off, would eliminate a lot of suffering....

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by bobabode

The big bang followed by gravity. It's all Thor and Loki's fault.

Funny how sibling rivalry is where everything starts going wrong in both the Biblical and the Norse myths....