Si, si puedes. Viva Ceasar!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

C'mon, ever since Bill Clinton the Dems have been the center right party. That's exactly where Obama has governed from since day one of his presidency.

It's the Repubs who've shifted to the far right end of the spectrum.

I'd say that in terms of the American ideological spectrum, Obama and the Clintons are center-left. The center-right is nearly non-existent, having been euthanized (in primaries mostly) by the GOP and their pandering to the Fox News/Talk Radio/'Bagger faction.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'd say that in terms of the American ideological spectrum, Obama and the Clintons are center-left. The center-right is nearly non-existent, having been euthanized (in primaries mostly) by the GOP and their pandering to the Fox News/Talk Radio/'Bagger faction.

You say tomato and I say tom-ah-to.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You say tomato and I say tom-ah-to.

On the ideological spectrum of First World democracies, Obama is definitely center right (or even more conservative than that). He's probably further to the right than the UK Conservatives or the German CDU/CSU, for example.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

On the ideological spectrum of First World democracies, Obama is definitely center right (or even more conservative than that). He's probably further to the right than the UK Conservatives or the German CDU/CSU, for example.

Absolutely. European Conservatives just don't get our Conservatives at all.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Absolutely. European Conservatives just don't get our Conservatives at all.

In fact, I don't think there is a First World democracy anywhere in the world to the right of the US (with Singapore being a possible exception, to the extent that a city-state is even relevant to the discussion (or if Singapore is truly democratic)).

[CarlV]

Poo-tin made himself a billionaire at the expense of the people that elected him to serve their best interests. He also thinks that the elimination of civil rights is a good thing.
Maybe he is a conservative Republican too.


Carl

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by CarlV

Poo-tin made himself a billionaire at the expense of the people that elected him to serve their best interests. He also thinks that the elimination of civil rights is a good thing.
Maybe he is a conservative Republican too.


Carl

He's most definitely conservative, even right wing and definitely an oligarch.

But he's also a true and devoted nationalist, a thing we forget at our peril.

[donquixote99]

Conservatives not in thrall to international capital tend to be nationalists.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Conservatives not in thrall to international capital tend to be nationalists.

Originally Posted by donquixote99;

Sorry, but broad-brush swipes at a vaguely-designated opposition are a pitiful excuse for debate.

Interesting contrast.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Interesting contrast.

Really? What don't you understand about the meaning of "tend to be"?