ferguson

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Try reading the article, your tolerance for tyranny is quite remarkable.

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I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say I believe Don was being sarcastic.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say I believe Don was being sarcastic.

Pio was mixed-up, it's been sorted, all is well. Miscues happen in our text world.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

Really?

If they act like this with the national media spotlight on them, imagine what they are like when when "encountering" ordinary citizens when their car cameras are conveniently "out of order"

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

1968, I'd say. 1968.

I may have taken that picture.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

If they act like this with the national media spotlight on them, imagine what they are like when when "encountering" ordinary citizens when their car cameras are conveniently "out of order"

I've seen this too many times. The officers "orchestrate" an arrest. You follow their directions, so they make it impossible for you to do so (like blocking your way) so they can lie and say you were resisting and slap you around.


Fucking thugs.....

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Let's just focus on this. Let's say that a LEO grabs some part of my anatomy, pulls hard, and brings me in painful contact with some part of a police cruiser. I naturally try to break his grip and avoid further painful trauma. According to you, he now has the right to kill me?

I gotta say it seems to me that to the best of one's ability, Zeke attempted to deal in simple information that is currently available...and stated so.

In response he got more speculation. One can pretty accurately assume that any comment beginning with "Let's say..." has already moved into a different basis of presentation than pure available facts.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Define "peaceful?"

There's no manner in which to look good here but the last "peaceful" demonstration devolved into ugliness.

The only choice is to snuff things early or be responsible for later.

And before anyone screams about tear gas? That is showing restraint.

With all due respect, you're doing a stellar job of defending your own.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Bad night to wax ironic, i guess.

Zeke has stated (in the other topic) that if you impede, you make yourself the enemy of the police.

Actually, it's absolutely clear to me that if you aren't in uniform you make yourself an enemy of the police. If you're black you may as well hide in the basement.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Let's just focus on this. Let's say that a LEO grabs some part of my anatomy, pulls hard, and brings me in painful contact with some part of a police cruiser. I naturally try to break his grip and avoid further painful trauma. According to you, he now has the right to kill me?

If so, bad has become normal and lawful, and I want it changed. The idea of taking away the guns from police comes to mind.

If not, then facts that will probably have to be weighed by a jury come into play. Basically, did Mike Brown assault the officer, or did the officer grab Mike Brown through the car window, in a way the Brown could reasonably interpret not as an arrest for jaywalking, but as an attempt to harm him?

I don't think the officer departed the station that morning with the intent of killing some citizen. But I think that, like you, he has a very critical story in his head about the kids that were jaywalking. Something about 'generational rage, and entitlement,' in your case, as I recall. He may have gotten mad when he saw the kids in the street. He may have told them to 'get the fuck on the sidewalk,' or something like that.

This command, for some reason, may have produced a reaction he didn't like. He may have made a move with the police cruiser that put him in close proximity with Michael Brown. He then may have attempted to quickly exit the cruiser, but the door hit Brown, then came back and hit the officer. He may, rightly or wrongly, have interpreted this as an assault by Brown. This may have caused him to become enraged, and respond by grabbing Brown through the car window, and shooting him.

Is there any part of this possible scenario that does not fit the agreed-on facts that we have? Is it in some way outlandish, so that even though possible, is it absurdly unlikely?

I think this story, consistent with witness reports in the media, is possible. I think the police should acknowledge this possibility to the community. They should release the officers name, as an assurance that he is being investigated and will be held responsible if evidence of wrongdoing is found. I think they should acknowledge that the shooting of the young man was a tragedy, even if it turns out to be 'justified.' I think they should pledge at this point to try harder to avoid such tragedies in the future. I think there should be respectful, open dialog with an understandably-upset community.

I think the fact that this has NOT been the police response, so far, is contributing to the continued unrest. So far all people have heard is stuff like what you've said. And what you keep saying is that 'killing Michael Brown was his job.' And fuck you.

I know, neither the police or you have added the 'fuck you.' But I assure you the aggrieved citizens of Ferguson think they hear it, right at the end of the cold, clipped, defensive stone-wall prose. Loud and clear.

Stellar.....

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I gotta say it seems to me that to the best of one's ability, Zeke attempted to deal in simple information that is currently available...and stated so.

In response he got more speculation. One can pretty accurately assume that any comment beginning with "Let's say..." has already moved into a different basis of presentation than pure available facts.

You gotta be shitin me.

Zeke has been 100% in the tank for the cops from the get go.