David Bonior gets a lesson in reality

[Pio1980]

A lot of good ideas couldn't make the transition to the adverserial American labor/management relationship.

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[piece-itpete]

Calisthenics before work?

I was in production when some of the Japanese ideas were is vogue, they really didn't do much, in my industry anyway. The only thing I still see is 'just in time' and that is no friend of the worker.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

A lot of good ideas couldn't make the transition to the adverserial American labor/management relationship.

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But what's truly interesting is that many foreign manufacturers come here, use American labor and succeed. Even in states where the influence of organized labor is strong. Ohio-Honda, anyone?

American management blows. I'm sorry, but it's true. The incompetence and downright corruption is astounding. I've worked for foreign companies and American companies. Each have strengths and weaknesses, but it's looking like the "blame" for the shitty way American businesses are run rests with those who run them. What do you expect when the popular belief is that the business only exist to benefit one person or a tiny group of people? Decline and failure, of course.

This is just my opinion, but....well....look around you. How's it working out? Who is slowly taking over the running of nearly every industry?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Calisthenics before work?

I was in production when some of the Japanese ideas were is vogue, they really didn't do much, in my industry anyway. The only thing I still see is 'just in time' and that is no friend of the worker.

Pete

Would probably be a great idea. Except expecting a bunch of fat people who would see exercise as "oppression" and an affront to their supposed "right to destroy themselves", wouldn't (Doesn't?) work.

I'm just sayin'.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

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Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

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Pete

That's hilarious and just might bear some truth. I recall thinking this as I watched a former employer try to take "Just in Time" to disastrous extremes.

"Maybe they just tell us they do this to trick us into destroying ourselves?"

I frequently have the same thoughts about Ayn Rand, BTW. You know, the Russian woman who came here fro the Soviet Union telling us that unbridled greed and apathy towards the common man was the way to go........

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Who knows. That just in time though, it's a nightmare for everyone. 24 hour part supply feeding a line? Office worker, files a paper wrong, disaster. Machine operator lets a part drift out of spec a little too long, disaster. Dock worker loads it on the wrong truck, disaster. Freight carrier has a breakdown, disaster. Everything's a freaking disaster. Crack that whip!

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The point of this thread is that like 99% of the threads here of late have no point. all I see is talking points or rather yelling points. We are defined by the other person's concept (valid or not) of that person's idea of what our political beliefs are. Once that label has been applied everything anyone posts is read through colored glasses. A shining example is Mike's rude response to Barbara's post.

So since there is nowt to be gained here in PC since trollishness has taken over I will soend my time on more useful pusuits Adieu.

I hope you'll reconsider Rob.

[piece-itpete]

Btw, the way I see it Barbara was trying to add her .02 based on direct experience. Can we older posters attempt to be a bit more polite? Leave the rudeness for the noobs.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Who knows. That just in time though, it's a nightmare for everyone. 24 hour part supply feeding a line? Office worker, files a paper wrong, disaster. Machine operator lets a part drift out of spec a little too long, disaster. Dock worker loads it on the wrong truck, disaster. Freight carrier has a breakdown, disaster. Everything's a freaking disaster. Crack that whip!

Pete

Exactly. Too inflexible in an imperfect world. I forget what exact amount it was, but there was a HUGE penalty for starving an automotive assembly line for parts. If the customers line stopped, we started picking up the tab. And it was in the tens of thousands per hour.

Dave