Koch Brothers spending vs the Unions

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by MikeG22

lol :d

+1

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Swerving back on topic Isn't it funny how the Kochs' money that they directly donate is also bundled with $100s of millions that they get their cronies to donate to the GOP run superpacs. It isn't just the FEC reported $4.9 million directly sent to their pet candidates, you also have the $407 millions of dark Koch money laundered through these so called social welfare tax exempt 501c4 organizations. Added to that is an astronomical amount of dark money from their partners in crime.

Is it any wonder that Darryl Issa has such a big fat hard on for the IRS? The plutoc-rats have been using this giant loophole in the tax law governing 501c4 corps as a shield to hide how much influence a small group of ultra wealthy donors are exerting on elections in this country. Issa's mission is to forestall any reconsideration of the Republican reinterpretation of the law. As written 501c4 law states only social welfare is allowed by these organizations. In the 1950s there was a Republican administrative rewrite that allowed them to use 49% of the black money they receive to sway elections.

As to these ultra wealthy top 1%? Of course they want something in return, after all they are businessmen first and foremost and it's all in the bottom line for these people. You can bet your last bottom dollar that they will be pulling the strings for as long as we allow it to continue.

Don't you worry 'bout it none. Dems are getting their fair share too, Bob. You guys better thank your lucky stars that Citizens United is helping get those lefty Super PAC's all cranked up.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2607941/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...publican-slump

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Don't you worry 'bout it none. Dems are getting their fair share too, Bob. You guys better thank your lucky stars that Citizens United is helping get those lefty Super PAC's all cranked up.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2607941/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...publican-slump

Both these articles are pretty old and cover the period while Republican donors, especially the big ones, were busy being pissed off at Romney and Turd Blossom for blowing all their money. It's a very different ballgame now.

And how, exactly, is Americans for Responsible Solutions a "Democtatic Super-PAC"?

John

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Don't you worry 'bout it none. Dems are getting their fair share too, Bob. You guys better thank your lucky stars that Citizens United is helping get those lefty Super PAC's all cranked up.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2607941/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/1...publican-slump

You obviously like to think that money equals speech Mike. I guess that's the critical difference between you and me, I don't and I hate the fact that it was your rightwing activist boys on the Supreme Court who think that corporations are people. Nice try Mike but you can keep on pretending if you think that it is somehow a level playing field. Turn off the Glenn Beck Show, that shit won't fly around here.

Like a new members' sig line says, "I'll believe corporations are people, when Texas executes one". Pio1980.

All 501c4 groups should adhere to the letter of the law as written and that means no politicking period, full stop. Your Uhmericans For Prosperity would be bankrupt in a week and I hope the DOJ enforces it under Obama. Why do you think that the snake Darryl Issa is shitting himself over the IRS?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Both these articles are pretty old and cover the period while Republican donors, especially the big ones, were busy being pissed off at Romney and Turd Blossom for blowing all their money. It's a very different ballgame now.

And how, exactly, is Americans for Responsible Solutions a "Democtatic Super-PAC"?

John

Whell's cherrypickin' his stories? Say it ain't so... Of course he ignored the salient point that the Repugnants always have deeper pockets.

"It's a stark reversal from the 2012 presidential and congressional elections when Republican groups dominated spending."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...roups/2607941/

I did like the second one predicting a fratricidal bloodbath between the Goppers and the Cruz Crazies. Both stories were before the Paul/Cruz shutdown demolished the 'pubbies brand. Gawd damn weasels even turned the Chamberpot of Commerce against the 'baggers. Muy delicioso...

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlf45...iriam-adelson/


Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
Based on data released by the FEC on February 18, 2014.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Can you be this inane? It doesn't matter, 5 below. The heavy hitters do it and they do it for themselves. If the Koch bros thought they could get more financial benefit out of supporting democrat politicians they would. That's what heavy hitters do.

And now, thanks to you, I have a pretty good resource to do what I do, which is to refrain from doing business with any company showing a red elephant in the list, and to consider strongly doing the same with any company with a "fence". Much obliged.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Can you be this inane? It doesn't matter, 5 below. The heavy hitters do it and they do it for themselves. If the Koch bros thought they could get more financial benefit out of supporting democrat politicians they would. That's what heavy hitters do.

True

And now, thanks to you, I have a pretty good resource to do what I do, which is to refrain from doing business with any company showing a red elephant in the list, and to consider strongly doing the same with any company with a "fence". Much obliged.

That may prove to be problematic.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JJIII

That may prove to be problematic.

Really?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Both these articles are pretty old and cover the period while Republican donors, especially the big ones, were busy being pissed off at Romney and Turd Blossom for blowing all their money. It's a very different ballgame now.

And how, exactly, is Americans for Responsible Solutions a "Democtatic Super-PAC"?

John

Not so different. Dems also got a nice bump this fall during the shut down. It goes in cycles.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4123208.html

Regarding "Americans for Responsible Solutions": This message appears right on their web site home page:

"Paid for by Americans for Responsible Solutions, a section 501(c)(4) issue advocacy organization, and Americans for Responsible Solutions PAC, a federal political committee. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Whell's cherrypickin' his stories? Say it ain't so... Of course he ignored the salient point that the Repugnants always have deeper pockets.

I don't ignore anything, Bob. In particular, I don't ignore it when someone like, well, you for instance, takes two different issues and mashes them together to create a straw man. If you were paying attention to the article in the OP, the author was complaining that contributions to PAC's were not factored in. That's what I was responding to.

You, however, seem to be citing the historical edge that Repubs have had over Dems with campaign (non-PAC) fund raising (which is not in dispute), and conflating the PAC and direct campaign spending when doing so. I mean, I know that the left loves to bitch about Citizens United and all, but it certainly does seem like both parties love to feed at that particular trough. Maybe this page will help clarify:

https://www.opensecrets.org/bigpictu...php?cycle=2012