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[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by Boreas

There are often cases where the reasons for keeping something classified no longer apply. There are also occasions when a document is classified solely to conceal wrongdoing on the part of those in power. In those cases the "people's right to know" should dictate that the information be declassified.

Once again, "in an effort" is not very substantive. Sounds good though. Beyond that, I'm not sure thats a door you want to open.

Originally Posted by Boreas

Where was Richard Reid tried? How about Zacarias Moussaoui? Jose Padilla? Who was president then?

Bush. My comment was more to the fact that these trials are going to be held in a Civilian court, in New York City. This upcoming trial is going to be far different than the above listed

Originally Posted by Boreas

Congress wrote both the Stimulus and the Health Care bills. How can you possibly maintain that they were kept in the dark

You must be joking. Have you forgotten congress being asked to push though the Stimulus bill without time to read it because N.P. had to jet off to Europe. The same with the initial Health Care bills presented. How could the people know what was contained in them if congress had no clue. Thats a far cry from transparency.

Originally Posted by Boreas

I think you need a rest, my friend. You're getting a bit shrill here.

John

Shrill?
Once again, surely your joking.

RC

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

Once again, "in an effort" is not very substantive. Sounds good though.

I've checked, using the Firefox "Find" text tool and I don't see those words in the Executive Order. For that matter they don't come up in the NY Times article or the Presidential Memorandum. Frankly, unless they're in the actual order, it isn't of the slightest importance.

Beyond that, I'm not sure thats a door you want to open.

Why not? As something of a Libertarian, I'd suppose your suspicions of government would require that sort of openness.

But I'm pretty sure it's a door Cheney doesn't want to see opened.

Bush. My comment was more to the fact that these trials are going to be held in a Civilian court, in New York City. This upcoming trial is going to be far different than the above listed.

No, sorry. They'll all be held in Federal Court.

You must be joking. Have you forgotten congress being asked to push though the Stimulus bill without time to read it because N.P. had to jet off to Europe. The same with the initial Health Care bills presented. How could the people know what was contained in them if congress had no clue. Thats a far cry from transparency.

Nope! I don't. Anyway, the House Bill wasn't the final bill. You're just parroting Republican whining.

As to the Health Care bill, you do know that the House and Senate wrote their respective bills, don't you? So, they don't know what they wrote? I'm sure that few if any Republicans wasted a second reading them, however, since they never intended to vote for any kind of health care bill - or for that matter any kind of Democratic bill.

Shrill?
Once again, surely your joking.

No, and stop calling me Surely.

John

[doucanoe]

John,

I do have a healthy suspicion of government and our current administration isn't doing much to alleviate that. In fact, I believe that there is possibly more to be concerned about today than during the Bush administration.

Cheney... You could certainly add many more to that list including your own bobo's. Nah, It ain't gonna happen my friend. Thats all posturing or parroting democrat whining using your own phraseology. When the rubber meets the road, the only disclosure you are going to have is going to be all about nothing. None of these guys are going hang themselves in the process of trying to hang another. Now that I think about it, it might be for the good of all if they went that route.

You like the New York Times, right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14terror.html

Accused 9/11 Mastermind to Face Civilian Trial in N.Y.
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: November 13, 2009

Help me out here. What am I missing?


"As to the Health Care bill, you do know that the House and Senate wrote their respective bills, don't you? So, they don't know what they wrote?"


In the end I certainly would like to believe thats the case. Prior to that, no. The Republican offering was never given any time by the Dem's initially and you know that. Later, concession had to be made for Obama to get his watered down version accepted more or less with limited Rep. input. Initially, it was a speedy rush to vote and many on both sides if the fence (admittedly so) had not clue as to what was in even half of it. You seem to have a very short and selective memory.

RC

[Boreas]

[QUOTEn=doucanoe;13315]
You like the New York Times, right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/us/14terror.html

Accused 9/11 Mastermind to Face Civilian Trial in N.Y.
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: November 13, 2009[/QUOTE]

Civilian as in not military but it's in Federal District Court. Eric Holder can't order anything else.

In the end I certainly would like to believe thats the case. Prior to that, no. The Republican offering was never given any time by the Dem's initially and you know that.

You seem to know more about what I know than I know I know. What was the Republican offering?

Later, concession had to be made for Obama to get his watered down version accepted more or less with limited Rep. input.

I thought the Republicans weren't able to have any input.

Where do you get the idea that the watered down bill was Obama's work? Don't you think it was more the result of Republican and Blue Dog influence, to say nothing of Lieberman's? That's what I think.

John

[BlueStreak]

Leave it in the f**kin' ground.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

"I thought the Republicans weren't able to have any input."

The Republicans are always the big, tough, gunslinging cowboys who can't get anything done because those pussy ass pinko fags across the isle keep muscling them out of the dialog. Don't you know anything, John?

Now, get back on topic, Dudes. I fuckin' hate it when people hijack my threads. It's rude.

Dave

[doucanoe]

Here ya go.

http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare


And another viewpoint heard. For fairness of course.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...office_th.html

RC

[doucanoe]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"I thought the Republicans weren't able to have any input."

The Republicans are always the big, tough, gunslinging cowboys who can't get anything done because those pussy ass pinko fags across the isle keep muscling them out of the dialog. Don't you know anything, John?

Now, get back on topic, Dudes. I fuckin' hate it when people hijack my threads. It's rude.

Dave

Sorry Dave,

I'm out.

RC

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Now, get back on topic, Dudes. I fuckin' hate it when people hijack my threads. It's rude.

Dave

You're right. Sorry. I'm all done.

John

[Charles]

I, for one, have stayed on topic...for a change.

Now the REAL reason that we don't drill for our own oil is because those Commie Pinko Faggot Donks are saving the world. Pelosi Galore said so herself, even repeated herself.

Saving the world, that's even a better excuse than "If it saves one child"!!!!!

Chas