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09-23-2013, 12:14 PM
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What, me worry?
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'whell' said
But I thought Clinton was the first black President?
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09-23-2013, 12:41 PM
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You guys make me laugh, unrestrained growth my arse. If the Feds don't do it who will? Charitable organizations? Right, just as long as you are willing to adopt their dogma. The whole neighbourhood will band together to repave the street? Actually we used to hire a crop duster to spray all our trees for webworm, hasn't been done for ten years at least.
Abe Lincoln said it best;
"The legitimate object of government is to do for people what needs to be done." Lincoln made these comments on what role the government should play on July 1, 1854. Lincoln asked why government exists. "Why not each individual," he said, "take himself the whole fruit of his labor, without having any of it taxed away , , , ?" He answered saying that government should do what people cannot do by individual effort. Lincoln cited many examples of things that people cannot do on their own: making and maintaining roads and bridges, providing for the helpless, providing schools, and disposing of the deceased's property. Other responsibilities of government, Lincoln pointed out, are because of the "injustice of men." These responsibilities include the forming and maintaining of the military, police, and civil departments. Lincoln said the government should protect its citizens and prevent them from committing wrongs. He said it was not the government's place to redress the wrongs of the world, but it "may, and ought to, redress all wrongs which are wrongs to the nation itself."
Lets face it we are the least taxed of the industrialized nations yet we still piss and moan about taxes 'cause we are cheap.
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09-23-2013, 12:50 PM
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Where does it stop?
Pete
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09-23-2013, 01:31 PM
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To be determined on a flexible basis as conditions change and necessity dictates.
One things for sure, rigidity and intransigence on the part of those who refuse to face the prospect of even the tiniest sacrifice of personal liberty for the greater good will never get us anywhere but further behind.
"Obviously, it is impractical....................."
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09-23-2013, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Where does it stop?
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Just maybe when children no longer go to bed hungry.
Maybe when the richest country in the world no longer has citizens living below the poverty line.
Maybe when we stop making Pharmaceutical companies super wealthy and giving eight figure salaries to CEOs.
When all senior citizens can eat real food.
You need to find a copy of Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poem "The Children"
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09-23-2013, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
Yes, Clinton was a cracka.
Since the mid-1990's, the Republicans have failed to control the growth of government, and have failed a substantial subset of the electorate who traditionally looked to the right side of the aisle to be the check and balance against unrestrained federal growth.
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Too bad for you that the subset you speak of is shrinking daily.
"Cracka"? You guys crack me up. Who would've thought that in this day and age, an Michigan boy would piss on the graves of all of those brave soldiers from Michigan who fought for emancipation in the Civil War.
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09-23-2013, 03:30 PM
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Who would've thought that in this day and age, an Michigan boy would piss on the graves of all of those brave soldiers from Michigan who fought for emancipation in the Civil War.
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Like Clinton, I just can't keep my zipper up.
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09-23-2013, 08:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by merrylander
Just maybe when children no longer go to bed hungry.
Maybe when the richest country in the world no longer has citizens living below the poverty line.
Maybe when we stop making Pharmaceutical companies super wealthy and giving eight figure salaries to CEOs.
When ball senior citizens can eat real food.
You need to find a copy of Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poem "The Children"
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It's "The Cry Of The Children" and here it is
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/172981
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09-24-2013, 07:17 AM
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Guess my memory is not what it used to be. She wrote that as a cry against child labour but it can apply to other abuses against children. The last lines may well be prophetic.
My Dad was working in the woolen mills at twelve. Once in Canada he finished his education by correspondence, ended as a statiistician - only reason I know how to spell it.
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09-24-2013, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
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Guess my memory is not what it used to be. She wrote that as a cry against child labour but it can apply to other abuses against children. The last lines may well be prophetic.
My Dad was working in the woolen mills at twelve. Once in Canada he finished his education by correspondence, ended as a statiistician - only reason I know how to spell it.
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You did that on purpose, didn't you?
Chas
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