Is anything his fault?

[merrylander]

I guess we could count the times Romney has told the truth on the fingers of one finger. Chaps I do not feel any need to defend Florence to anyone.

[beej]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Chaps I do not feel any need to defend Florence to anyone.

And I don't blame you, sir.

[mezz]

The Obama campaign has now been caught lying on this by saying they knew nothing about the contents of this ad and were ignorant of the details of Joe Soptic's life when it has just come out that Soptic told essentially the same story already on a recorded Obama Campaign phone call back in May.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...195237581.html

More floundering and backtracking to come...

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by mezz

The Obama campaign has now been caught lying on this by saying they knew nothing about the contents of this ad and were ignorant of the details of Joe Soptic's life when it has just come out that Soptic told essentially the same story already on a recorded Obama Campaign phone call back in May.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...195237581.html

More floundering and backtracking to come...

This is the excerpt of Soptic's conversation with the Obama campaign, straight from the blog you linked to:

"After we lost our jobs, we found out that we were going to lose our health insurance, and that our pensions hadn't been funded like Bain promised they would be. I was lucky to find another job as a custodian in a local school district. They gave me some health insurance, but I couldn't afford to buy it for my wife. A little while later she was diagnosed with lung cancer. I had to put her in a county hospital because she didn't have health care, and when the cancer took her away, all I got was an enormous bill. That put a lot of stress on me: I thought I'd be paying it off until I died myself. That probably wouldn't have happened if Bain kept its promise and I was allowed to keep our health insurance."

It contains no reference to his wife's insurance coverage. That was mentioned to CNN later.

This is what the campaign said:

"I don't know the facts about when Mr. Soptic's wife got sick, or the facts about his health insurance."

So, where's the problem, mess? (sic)

When you find out that the campaign knew about the Priorities USA ad in advance and approved it in advance, get back to us, okay?

John

[mezz]

Originally Posted by Boreas

This is the excerpt of Soptic's conversation with the Obama campaign, straight from the blog you linked to:

"After we lost our jobs, we found out that we were going to lose our health insurance, and that our pensions hadn't been funded like Bain promised they would be. I was lucky to find another job as a custodian in a local school district. They gave me some health insurance, but I couldn't afford to buy it for my wife. A little while later she was diagnosed with lung cancer. I had to put her in a county hospital because she didn't have health care, and when the cancer took her away, all I got was an enormous bill. That put a lot of stress on me: I thought I'd be paying it off until I died myself. That probably wouldn't have happened if Bain kept its promise and I was allowed to keep our health insurance."

It contains no reference to his wife's insurance coverage. That was mentioned to CNN later.

This is what the campaign said:

"I don't know the facts about when Mr. Soptic's wife got sick, or the facts about his health insurance."

So, where's the problem, mess? (sic)

When you find out that the campaign knew about the Priorities USA ad in advance and approved it in advance, get back to us, okay?

John

You're kidding, right? Whaddya think I am some kind of dim witted Obama supporter? You reprinted the quote right in the same post where you denied what it said. It's all about his health insurance and his wife's lack of it:

"After we lost our jobs, we found out that we were going to lose our health insurance, and that our pensions hadn't been funded like Bain promised they would be. I was lucky to find another job as a custodian in a local school district. They gave me some health insurance, but I couldn't afford to buy it for my wife. A little while later she was diagnosed with lung cancer. I had to put her in a county hospital because she didn't have health care, and when the cancer took her away, all I got was an enormous bill."

So while his health insurance may indeed have been mentioned also on CNN later, it was also mentioned in May in the conference call hosted by Ms. Stephanie "“I don’t know the facts about when Mr. Soptic’s wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance” Cutter herself.

This is why the Obama campaign is once again bumbling and floundering over this which is just the latest example of Obama himself or his campaign spokespeople blurting out lies before thinking about what they are saying in attempts to cover up their embarrassing level of sleazy and underhanded behaviour. Trying to lie yourself to defend them is just silly.

[d-ray657]

Even if Soptic's wife had insurance through her job, she could have remained on her husband's policy as well. The fact is that she did not have insurance at the time she took ill, and had Soptic's job at GST not been eliminated, she would have continued to be covered on his policy.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by mezz

Whaddya think I am some kind of dim witted Obama supporter?

No, I think you're some kind of idiot Teabagger.

The issue is his wife's coverage.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Even if Soptic's wife had insurance through her job, she could have remained on her husband's policy as well. The fact is that she did not have insurance at the time she took ill, and had Soptic's job at GST not been eliminated, she would have continued to be covered on his policy.

Regards,

D-Ray

"I had to put her in a county hospital because she didn't have health care."

So the government operated county hospital failed to give a minimum standard of care? I'm not seeing how her husband's job loss can remotely be connected to her cancer death.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Even if Soptic's wife had insurance through her job, she could have remained on her husband's policy as well. The fact is that she did not have insurance at the time she took ill, and had Soptic's job at GST not been eliminated, she would have continued to be covered on his policy.

Regards,

D-Ray

It is possible (and plausible from Soptic's statements) that he had opted for the individual policy vs. the family coverage, a choice which is offered on a lot of plans. The family coverage premiums can be 3 or 4 times what the individual coverage costs and I believe Soptic claims that he (they) could not afford to have her on his plan.

This works the same in places with universal coverage like in Canada, where only very basic stuff is covered, but a lot of the 'extras' like ambulance service, followup drugs, continued care, extended treatment, private hospital room, etc etc are not covered and the patient needs their own private insurance.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by Boreas

No, I think you're some kind of idiot Teabagger.

The issue is his wife's coverage.

You probably wish.

His wife's coverage (and lack of was mentioned in the quote). Sorry. Please try again.