Gunman shoots up Sikh Temple in Wisconsin.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Zeke

For the record:

1. He was deemed unworthy of bearing a firearm in our military.
2. But he can possess, legally, all he wants in our society.

Fuckin' stupid.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Amazing, isn't it?

Somehow the knuckledraggers think this connotes freedom.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Always the same paranoid rhetoric from the NRA wackjobs. I'm waiting for the screeching condemnation that how everyone on the left is using this for their own political agenda.

California already has tough gun laws. Do you want to go beyond the requirements in California? It's a fifteen day waiting period and a limit on the number of firearms one can purchase per month IIRC. It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby. The gun laws are like stimulus spending in that the left can always claim that there is not enough of either to get the job done. Thus, continued expansion and restrictions. Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by bhunter

California already has tough gun laws. Do you want to go beyond the requirements in California? It's a fifteen day waiting period and a limit on the number of firearms one can purchase per month IIRC. It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby. The gun laws are like stimulus spending in that the left can always claim that there is not enough of either to get the job done. Thus, continued expansion and restrictions. Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

Oh no, you don't get to trivialize seatbelt laws. I saw the same Signal 30 horror flicks that you probably saw back in the day. People halfway out of the windshield butchered and bled out. There was a particularly gruesome photo of a guy who halfway fell out of the drivers seat and partially out the door before his car hit a tree stump with that door, almost cut him in half. It oughta be a full point against your license to drive without buckling up.(which it still isn't) To do otherwise means you don't have control of your vehicle in an emergency situation. Nope, no soap on that analogy.

I like the original Federal assault weapons ban. The one with the prohibition on over ten round magazines, etc. That's good enough for me. I like another old law that went in the crapper by the name of Glass Steagle. Call me old fashioned and off topic.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Somehow the knuckledraggers think this connotes freedom.

Well, living in a world where you never know when the next OK Corral shootout is going to happen IS "freedom", Pat. You're not free until you have to fear for your life every single day.

You didn't know that?

[beej]

Originally Posted by bhunter

California already has tough gun laws. Do you want to go beyond the requirements in California? It's a fifteen day waiting period and a limit on the number of firearms one can purchase per month IIRC. It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby. The gun laws are like stimulus spending in that the left can always claim that there is not enough of either to get the job done. Thus, continued expansion and restrictions. Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

So, again, just to be clear, a national dialog on creative ways to address issues such as what just happened in the movie theater and the Sikh temple where no topic is off limits is out of the question. Do I have that right?

Just trying to understand here.

[beej]

Originally Posted by Zeke

For the record:

1. He was deemed unworthy of bearing a firearm in our military.
2. But he can possess, legally, all he wants in our society.

Fuckin' stupid.

1. Yep
2. Yep

Your characterization: spot on.

[merrylander]

Well BH I may agree with you on seat belt laws, if you are too effing stupid to wear one let's just call it Darwin in action. They designed air bags to restrain a 150 pond male not wearing a seat belt. As a consequence a 5'-2" woman sitting close to the wheel may well be killed by the air bag.

[wgrr]

In Arkansas I can walk into a guns show and walk out with an AK47 in 15 minutes. Hop on my hawg, strap the gun onto the gun rack then, with no helmet on, ride off into the sunset and it is all legal. If I get caught not wearing a seat belt it is a hefty fine.

I am by no means anti seat belt. I have used them my whole life. My dads 1958 SAAB 93B GT had lap belts and shoulder straps. Damn I wish I still had that car. Jay Leno just paid a fortune for one.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by bobabode

"....
Maybe that's what the right is scared of in the secret portions of the PPACA?

When you go to see a doctor he will implant a mind control chip.

You can see it already - a dazed look in the eye, slowly walking saying Obama is good... Obama is good...

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/opinio...ntent=My+Yahoo

I've known a few people of the Sikh faith and this story is typical of these very strong and resilient people from the state of Punjab in India. Instead of insularity in the face of this tragedy, they invite us to their temple this Sunday to pray with them.

Punjab in Little Orphan Anne is serious decent and fearless

Originally Posted by bhunter

California already has tough gun laws. Do you want to go beyond the requirements in California? It's a fifteen day waiting period and a limit on the number of firearms one can purchase per month IIRC. It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby. The gun laws are like stimulus spending in that the left can always claim that there is not enough of either to get the job done. Thus, continued expansion and restrictions. Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

But it makes people feel better, and feelings count more than facts in this brave new world. People will indeed give up freedom for security. Gladly.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by bhunter

It's doubtful that the California laws have saved a single person despite the claims of the anti-gun lobby.

What "anti-gun lobby"?

Look what happened with California's seatbelt law. Remember when a LEO only could only issue a warning if you were pulled over for another infraction, but could not pull you over and issue a ticket just for the seatbelt. That has gradually expanded to the issuing of progressively expensive tickets.

It ain't just California, bucko! And guess which state has the highest fine, more than double California's, and among the highest citation rates! Texas!

And seat belt laws ain't a bad thing either unless laws in general are a bad thing.

Tickets are a source of revenue. States have to raise money somehow. To you anti-tax right wingers, aren't higher fines preferable to higher taxes?

John