Check Out the Scumbag Dem's In WI

[whell]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Neither are these guys. The "resort" guy was on a radio show I listen to this morning. He ain't in a resort. I know this is hard to believe, but the Republicans have been a little misleading in an effort to make their opponents (who, apparently, are working men and women) look bad.

Well, I'll stick with the "resort" thing, unless you can get the Wisconsin papers to retract their story. In fact, it really looks like quite a nice place.

http://www.clocktowerresort.com/

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

It would be kind of like saying these Republicans are just trying to break Unions and are using a financial crisis, that they intentionally exacerbated, as an excuse to do so… wait. No, it wouldn’t be like that at all. That’s exactly what they’re doing.

BS, BS, BS. And just so we're clear: BS! That's the story line that the unions and their lap dogs want to put forth. If we're to subscribe to that logic, then it would NEVER be OK to impact the pay or benefits of most any civil servant, cuz that would be union busting.

I just love the spin. Our masters of smart in federal and state government spend all the money in the kitty and max out their "credit cards". Then the public comes along and throws those bums out, and the folks on the left scream that they have no plan, they're full of BS, and predicted failure. Now that the newly elected folks are implementing their plans, the wailing and nashing of teeth and name calling begins.

For any organization, including government, cost of labor is the number one controllable cost. If you're trying to balance the budget, it is the logical place to start looking.

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

It’s just kind of amazing to me. “The People” elected a President who said he would reform health care. When he actually did, and the Republicans opposed him, they were doing a great job. But when the people oppose a Draconian measure, forwarded under false and misleading pretense, with tens of thousands marching in the street in their support, they’re somehow subverting the will of the people.

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

I should add- I have no love for the Teacher's Union. But this isn't the way to deal with it.

OK, I'm game. How do you propose to reduce government's payroll costs so that they are more in line with the government sector, and/or reduced accordingly when the state's population decreases?

[BlueStreak]

"BS, BS, BS. And just so we're clear: BS! That's the story line that the unions and their lap dogs want to put forth. If we're to subscribe to that logic, then it would NEVER be OK to impact the pay or benefits of most any civil servant, cuz that would be union busting."

No, that's precisely what it is, and has been for a long time. This is just the beginning, there will be more.

Orwell was right----------"Slavery is Freedom", or in todays context;

"A workforce with no voice is a happy workforce. And you will agree or you will end up blackballed and homeless."

Welcome to the New World Order.

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

OK, I'm game. How do you propose to reduce government's payroll costs so that they are more in line with the government sector, and/or reduced accordingly when the state's population decreases?

If the population decreases then the government workforce will naturally decrease, n'est ce pas? What normally happends to any business that loses customers, unfortunate but normal.

So where has WI been pissing waway all this money that they got so far in the hole?

Funny thing is that Maryland is managing quite well thak you very much, but then we don't have a union busting governor.

At least you GOOPers are consistent in following Saint Ronnie's "let's bust the unions and kill off the middle class" ideas.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

If the population decreases then the government workforce will naturally decrease, n'est ce pas? What normally happends to any business that loses customers, unfortunate but normal.

Unless, of course, you're in Michigan. Michigan, and I strongly suspect other states as well (IL comes to mind), reduction of government has not occurred commensurate with reduction of state population.

Originally Posted by merrylander

So where has WI been pissing waway all this money that they got so far in the hole?

Funny thing is that Maryland is managing quite well thak you very much, but then we don't have a union busting governor.

At least you GOOPers are consistent in following Saint Ronnie's "let's bust the unions and kill off the middle class" ideas.

Maryland is not unique. They are facing the same budget shortfalls due to unfunded pension liabilities (employment costs) that most other states are. I guess its only "union-busting" when a Republican does it?

http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/2...ces-major-cuts

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Well, since we're letting the expletives fly, here's my $0.02:

I have no qualms with anyone making as much as they possibly can - pay, benefits, retirement, whatever - within the limits of what the market will bear. Wisconsin has been dealing with public sector unionization long enough to recognize the problem: the unions and the politicians have gotten in bed with each other, and the taxpayers are paying the ever increasing bill. The equation - capitulating to wage, benefit and pension demands = campaign contributions - has left most states and the Fed Gov't in a situation where wages and benefits for public sector employees have risen significantly above private sector wages and benefits for jobs with similar skills and qualifications.

Wisconsin and my home state of MI have gaping holes in the budget: the government in this state has continued to become more expensive every year while the state's population has been declining year after year. (We're losing 2 seats in the House of Representatives as a result.) Rather than right-size government to reflect the declining population, we decided to raise taxes on business in the middle of a recession to keep government afloat, including continuing to fund high wages, rich benefits and pensions for state employees.

Unemployment in Wisconsin is just shy of 8% (in MI, its off the map!). Many of those working have continued working through pay freezes, reductions to health benefits, or faced lay-offs and taken jobs to try and keep making ends meet during a recession. God forbid the civil servants take a wage cut or freeze, pay more for health care. Just let the strapped citizens of WI pay the extra freight every year, whether they're working, underemployed or unemployed.

The Federal House and Senate Republicans opposed the stimulus, and opposed health care reform. But at least they SHOWED UP, PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS, AND LET THEIR "NO" VOTE BE RECORDED. They didn't leave DC, get on a bus and hold themselves up in a RESORT while ducking their responsibilities to the citizens.


I have no qualms with telling you how I feel about the public sector unions and their lap dog politicians.......FUCK THAT!

EDIT: this is illustrative of the unsustainable situation in MI with wages and benefits for teachers. http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/12874. Combine this with the fact that in many school districts, teachers don't pay any portion of their health care premium, and have no co pay or deductibles.

High wages, rich benefits and pensions? Where do I apply? Sounds like it's great being a part of your problem!

The market won't bear anything, when the mode of operation is always to seek the lowest price structure and highest possible profit margins regardless of the impact on the humans involved. Look where all of the jobs are going....THAT'S a function of your "market" my friend. It leads----down. and not just for unionized public sector employees----for all of us.It just hits them now, because they are tax supported. Michigan lost it's tax base because the main industry went elsewhere chasing cheaper labor and greater margins. Pressuring the state to make cuts. You say they are overcompensated? Okay, fine. I can see that. But, where does it end? Started with autoworkers (In your state.), now public employees, and once the machine gets rolling who will be next? You? Me? Who will be the next "parasite" that the "business interests" and it's tools on the right focus their derision on?

It's really not all that hard to see. If you're paying attention, and staying focused on the trend.

More dark days to come. Bet on it.

Dave

[merrylander]

Could this be the Gov's problem?

[whell]

I guess it takes guts to stand up to the "union-government complex." I'm also pretty sure it wasn't Tea - Party types who are responsible for this:

http://www.idahopress.com/news/artic...cc4c002e0.html

[BlueStreak]

Oh, the humanity.

People tend to get twisted up a bit when the rewards they work for are being threatened, don't they? Threatening the guys family is a bit much, but I understand the anger.

Dave

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whell

I guess it takes guts to stand up to the "union-government complex." I'm also pretty sure it wasn't Tea - Party types who are responsible for this:

http://www.idahopress.com/news/artic...cc4c002e0.html

We really don't know who was responsible for that conduct do we? I know what you want to believe, but that doesn't make it the truth.

Regards,

D-Ray

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Stereoholic

Walker's opponent ran a weak campaign last year. We walked straight into the lion's mouth. He is an embarrassment to the state, much like Senator Joseph McCarthy was.

Good to hear from a solid citizen of the state of Wisconsin. It was difficult for me to believe that this type of union busting was coming out of the state.

Without a doubt, this is union busting. It is not simply a matter of tough bargaining - it is a matter of stripping away collective bargaining rights for citizens of Wisconsin.

Regards,

D-Ray