mosque near ground zero ?

[whoaru99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Sorry, misread your post. I thought you were talking about something that actually existed.

So, you want to wrap a note around that rock you just threw? What's your point?

John

Post #30 about sums it up.

[whoaru99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And?

John

And, while quite willing to receive such tolerance seem unwilling to give it.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

And, while quite willing to receive such tolerance seem unwilling to give it.

So..... we shouldn't either? At least not where those people are concerned?

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

I guess I just find it odd that a religion (allegedly) of peace and tolerance seems so intolerant, that's all.

That's what happens when people get hold of any religion. I don't see how one could look at the words of Jesus and pursue armed crusades in the name of Christianity; or say that he is using God's advice when he invades Iraq; or use armies to steal the land from "Godless Indians."

Regards,

D-Ray

[whoaru99]

My only point was what I said. If you want to read more into it that's your choice.

[whoaru99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

At least not where those people are concerned?

John

I do not appreciate your insinuation with the italicized "those people" remark.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

Anyone want to pitch-in on an "intercultural faith center" located in Mecca or Medina?

Ohio, or the ones with all the sand?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That's what happens when people get hold of any religion. I don't see how one could look at the words of Jesus and pursue armed crusades in the name of Christianity; or say that he is using God's advice when he invades Iraq; or use armies to steal the land from "Godless Indians."

Regards,

D-Ray

Because a savvy politician knows darn well that many so-called "Christians" can't tell when their religion is being used to manipulate them. One of the reasons religion and government should never mix.

But, I've already bored all of you with my position on that. So, I'll spare you the pain of going through it again.

Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whoaru99

I do not appreciate your insinuation with the italicized "those people" remark.

Okay, then let's try it this way. Please answer these questions:

1. Should we attempt to forbid the construction of the Muslim Community Center/Mosque near (not at) "Ground Zero"? Explain.

2. Should our decision in this regard be influenced in any way by considerations about what the Saudis might or might not do if faced with a roughly analogous situation?

3. If the answer to #2 is "no", then what, in the context of this particular thread, was the reasoning behind your original post?

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It's kind of funny/sad when those who are so immersed in American exceptionalism don't feel the same way about the exceptional liberties provided for in our Constitution. It's quite likely that an intercultural faith center would not be accepted in Mecca or Medina, but that does not mean one should not be accepted here. Unlike Saudi Arabia we do not have leaders ordained by God or Allah (good luck getting elected as a non-christian, however). We are not a theocracy, but a nation that insures religious freedom. Accordingly, we send a message to the rest of the world about the exceptional amount of freedom we enjoy here by eliminating any governmental interference to the center.

Regards,

D-Ray

Right. Sometimes you have to lead, as painful as it may be initially. What was it? Something about "Love thine enemy..............."? The wall between Islam and Judeo-Christian society are ancient and deep. About, what, 1,400 years now? Maybe it'll be a few hundred more years, maybe never. But, we should continue to try. Defend ourselves of course, but continue to try.

Dave