Drill Baby Drill

[piece-itpete]

Apparently D being considered intellegent allows one to do whatever they please?

At least McCain called it like he saw it, in this case.

Obama sold out the left for money, it looks like.

Pete

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Or he's doing EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO and they're sore because he's getting things done and they aren't.

I remember hearing him say that you could build a coal fired powerplant under his administration, only you would go bankrupt trying to run it. I also remember him saying that under his administration, energy prices would necessarily rise.

You're correct, he is doing exactly what he promised...he's choking off proven sources of inexpensive energy. Higher energy prices will create more unemployed, not less.

Now is not the time. Renewable energy will be along, it's just not cost effective now. Make it dependable and cost efficient, and the other forms will go the way of the dinosaur.

I still suspect that Obama's drilling announcement is no more than a smoke and mirrors political move. If I may be so bold as to speak for my fellow conservatives, we don't dislike Obama because he's a black man, or because he's getting things done. We dislike him because we dislike his agenda, and we also take being thrown a rubber bone to be an insult of our intelligence.

Honestly, I don't think that you understand how conservatives think. You consistently assign us the wrong motives for our actions, after which you criticize our actions based on the fallacious motives you've laid at our feet.

If this is a calculated political move, I applaud you. Dirty perhaps, but an effective play. If you actually believe this, the only one's you are fooling are yourselves.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

That's about like saying that Obama is on board with the religious right because he goes to church.

McCain used to have a hint of Pragmatism. Palin's modus operandi is more like opportunism. I don't think that either of them would understand what it is like to be intelligent.

Regards,

D-Ray

You don't have to be Einstein to smell a bullshit artist.

Just saying,

Chas

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Charles

Now is not the time. Renewable energy will be along, it's just not cost effective now. Make it dependable and cost efficient, and the other forms will go the way of the dinosaur.

That's like saying, "I don't need to think ahead, I've got a good job."

Now, IS the time.

1. So-called Conservatives are not going to do it: they have zero bravery.
2. Costing additional $$$ should lead to more efficient use.
3. In the long run, what Conservatives NEVER seem to play for, we (Americans) win.

Nobody criticizes Conservatives due to fallacious motives creating their acts of stupidity: they're criticized due to the acts of stupidity. If the only motives that can be assigned are outlandish, consider how ridiculous the acts are.

What are you left with?

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That's like saying, "I don't need to think ahead, I've got a good job."

Now, IS the time.

1. So-called Conservatives are not going to do it: they have zero bravery.
2. Costing additional $$$ should lead to more efficient use.
3. In the long run, what Conservatives NEVER seem to play for, we (Americans) win.

Nobody criticizes Conservatives due to fallacious motives creating their acts of stupidity: they're criticized due to the acts of stupidity. If the only motives that can be assigned are outlandish, consider how ridiculous the acts are.

What are you left with?

I'm left with what I started with.

The typical response that conservatives are stupid. I'll admit, many of them are, but I've also noticed some mighty dim bulbs on your side of the fence as well.

Personally, I think we all have the same goals, more or less, but have a difference of opinion as to the means and timetable of achieving them. And I also think that we have some fundamental differences as to our vision of the nature of things.

Which is understandable. I hardly expect for you to think and behave per my wishes. But I do grow weary of the conservatives being dismissed as stupid simply because we have a difference of opinion.

If you wish to convert the conservatives to your line of reasoning, I don't think that by telling them they're stupid is going to be a very effective method.

At least that's the way I see things.

Chas

Besides, you missed my whole point. Which, in a nutshell, is you view the conservatives through your eyes and not theirs. Apparently you have no wish to understand them at all.

IMHO, playing shove it up the other guy's ass sideways isn't conducive to reaching a consensus. But what do I know, I'm a stupid conservative.

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Come on. He just sold out the entire left. Again. For money.

Pete

Damn right he did, and the dust hasn't yet settled from Bush's cash in on oil. I think the guy's just the right color for the left, and it doesn't matter what he does.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Charles

Honestly, I don't think that you understand how conservatives think. You consistently assign us the wrong motives for our actions, after which you criticize our actions based on the fallacious motives you've laid at our feet.

If this is a calculated political move, I applaud you. Dirty perhaps, but an effective play. If you actually believe this, the only one's you are fooling are yourselves.

I'm going to think on this. That's a lot to pull out of my short post. But I'm tired right now. I'll give you this: I do *not*understand how conservatives think.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

I'm going to think on this. That's a lot to pull out of my short post. But I'm tired right now. I'll give you this: I do *not*understand how conservatives think.

Thank you, Ed. I appreciate your consideration.

Chas

[d-ray657]

I hope that my opposition to many things political conservatives advocate has not been read as a slam on the intelligence of all conservatives. I do believe that people buying the BS allegations of death panels and a socialist agenda are not sufficiently educated in what socialism is and are naive. I think that we will agree that political propaganda from all parts of the spectrum can insult one's intelligence. My observation is that more BS has come from the right in the recent battles, but others may view that differently.

As far as McPalin, political savvy is one thing, and the ability to understand and digest complex policy alternatives is another thing. McPalin are politically savvy. I don't think McCain has ever shown himself to be a leading intellectual, and I think that Palin lacks the intelligence, the patience and the demeanor to be an effective executive. She got bored with her last job and quit.

I think the attitude here is generally, if you want to make a claim, be able to back it up. I don't see the failure to do so as failure of intelligence, but failure to make a point. For some who have showed that their desire is only to jump online long enough to throw out a couple of insults and refuse to engage in any discussion - I dismiss any point they wish to make.

Finally, I do believe that we can question one's motives. Clearly you are criticizing Obama's motives for making a policy choice that you agree with. I see that as partisan and point out the inconsistency of the position. As far as issues of racism, I have stated and believe that the level of hatred expressed against Obama is related to his race. If I have attributed policy differences to race, I did not intend to and apologize. Insults toward him that he is an idiot, he is stupid, he's only looking out for his relatives in mud shacks - those I attribute to race. (I know that I referred to Bush as an idiot, but he supplied significant evidence to support that assertion. I don't think one can make a legitimate assertion that Obama lacks intelligence.)

I continue to believe that folks can disagree agreeably, and that we can learn from each other.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Finally, I do believe that we can question one's motives. Clearly you are criticizing Obama's motives for making a policy choice that you agree with. I see that as partisan and point out the inconsistency of the position. As far as issues of racism, I have stated and believe that the level of hatred expressed against Obama is related to his race. If I have attributed policy differences to race, I did not intend to and apologize. Insults toward him that he is an idiot, he is stupid, he's only looking out for his relatives in mud shacks - those I attribute to race. (I know that I referred to Bush as an idiot, but he supplied significant evidence to support that assertion. I don't think one can make a legitimate assertion that Obama lacks intelligence.)

I continue to believe that folks can disagree agreeably, and that we can learn from each other.

Regards,

D-Ray

I assume you're addressing me.

But that's the way I am, it's all about me!!!

No doubt I'm partisan, but I try to be fair. The point I wish to make is not that I'm criticizing Obama's new drilling policy because I don't wish for him to succeed.

I'm criticizing it because, from what I understand, he has only opened exploration to a few areas, and, once again from what I understand, not the most productive areas. This is exploration, not drilling. He is still blocking drilling in areas which would be productive.

My complaint is that he has not opened more drilling, but is instead running a ruse to make it appear that he has.

I'll admit, I'm running on soundbites, and I'm really not sure as to what he has really done. I could be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

If it turns out that I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to apologize. And I have a suspicious nature...but I've paid my dues for that.

I'll keep it simple. I THINK that Obama has not really done anything which will increase domestic oil production in the foreseeable future, but continues to do things which will decrease domestic oil production in the foreseeable future.

In other words, he's trying to sell us a cat for a possum.

You may think that I'm being inconsistent, but I think I'm being sold a bill of goods.

We'll see how it all plays out. As I said, I could be wrong.

Also, I'm not up to debating racism and the stupidity of our fearless leaders tonite.

Chas

PS: Never buy a carcass without a foot attached.